[News] Bob Murray joins Flames as a scout

[FireGilbert]

Murray makes sense as a California scout, he won't be managing anyone, and the Flames have a positive history dealing with recovering alcoholics.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Murray would be a pro scout so probably wouldn't have any influence on draft decisions.

That’s a shame. Was hoping for the Duck’s amateur staff, now that’s a group that can scout. The gems they’ve found over the years is really quite impressive.


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[Two Fivenagame]

I really like this hire. Pro scouting for the Flames has been an absolute joke under BT regime. Adding a hockey mind like Bob's could really help put an end to the parade of bizarre additions to the Flames roster.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

I really like this hire. Pro scouting for the Flames has been an absolute joke under BT regime. Adding a hockey mind like Bob's could really help put an end to the parade of bizarre additions to the Flames roster.

Well, while that’s been the traditional story, may I say: Gudbranson, Zadorov, Lucic, Coleman, Toffoli, Lewis, Lewis, Markstrom, Tanev, Vladar are an argument the other way.

[Enoch Root]

And you can add Lindholm and Hanifin to that list

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

I really like this hire. Pro scouting for the Flames has been an absolute joke under BT regime. Adding a hockey mind like Bob's could really help put an end to the parade of bizarre additions to the Flames roster.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, while that’s been the traditional story, may I say: Gudbranson, Zadorov, Lucic, Coleman, Toffoli, Lewis, Lewis, Markstrom, Tanev, Vladar are an argument the other way.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And you can add Lindholm and Hanifin to that list

Treliving's atrocious coaching hires were dragging down the entire organization.

[Strange Brew]

The NHL level acquisitions had been a real weakness for the organization until this year. I would say only revisionists would argue otherwise.

Now they all look great.

Hmmm…. I wonder if something changed.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The NHL level acquisitions had been a real weakness for the organization until this year. I would say only revisionists would argue otherwise.

Yup. Markstrom and Tanev totally sucked.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The NHL level acquisitions had been a real weakness for the organization until this year. I would say only revisionists would argue otherwise.

Now they all look great.

Hmmm…. I wonder if something changed.

Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Markstrom, Ryan, Hamilton, Lucic were decent gets.

[btimbit]

The guy is going to go around watching hockey and send in scouting reports, he likely rarely if ever even comes to Calgary, then eventually he'll get another exec job somewhere. Could only be here for a few months for all we know. People are upset acting like he's part of the management team.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The NHL level acquisitions had been a real weakness for the organization until this year. I would say only revisionists would argue otherwise.

Now they all look great.

Hmmm…. I wonder if something changed.

Yeah but that cuts both ways - maybe the reason they were bad until this year was simply bad coaching

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah but that cuts both ways - maybe the reason they were bad until this year was simply bad coaching

Well that would certainly be a variable that changed.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Yup. Markstrom and Tanev totally sucked.

Markstrom is a great example. Disappointment on the whole last year, great this year.

In eight years under Treliving the club has certainly gotten some things right. But I maintain that at the start of the year, most everyone would agree pro scouting was not a strength with too many big misses. Not much point in trotting out the winners and losers from the last 8 years. We all know what they were.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Markstrom is a great example. Disappointment on the whole last year, great this year.

Why is that an example of how bad the Flames' pro scouting was last year? Explain the logic behind this.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Nah, this is a terrible take. That's not what I said. There are plenty of jobs that don't involve making 100s of thousands to millions annually to watch hockey and jock around with the old boys club. Acting the way Bob did should close some doors for him. Actions need to have consequences. I didn't say he needed to be destitute and broke because of this. He could bring his detailed experience in hockey organization to a different sport, to a different organization. Maybe he takes some time and builds up a community program.

I am saying that acting this way should lose you your pass to fame and glory.

He went from being a GM to scout and was embarrassed in north american media.

Not sure what else he should have to do? Don’t think he broke any laws.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Goriders

He went from being a GM to scout and was embarrassed in north american media.

Not sure what else he should have to do? Don’t think he broke any laws.

He certainly can't have the fame and glory that go along with being a pro scout... young children with posters of him hanging on their walls, seeing his face on the Wheaties box, a new space jam movie, probably... He doesn't deserve all of that.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Why is that an example of how bad the Flames' pro scouting was last year? Explain the logic behind this.

He's not an example of some of the horrible misses on the pro scouting side. I'm sure you don't need me to point those out, or do you think it's the most perfect organization in the history of pro sports and has never done anything wrong? BTW I'm just ribbing you as you generally post the inverse of this.

Markstrom is an example of how things change so quickly. He didn't play up to his 6x6 in year one. He sure is now. Has anything changed with the club between those two years? It's not the pro scouting.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

He's not an example of some of the horrible misses on the pro scouting side. I'm sure you don't need me to point those out, or do you think it's the most perfect organization in the history of pro sports and has never done anything wrong? BTW I'm just ribbing you as you generally post the inverse of this.

Markstrom is an example of how things change so quickly. He didn't play up to his 6x6 in year one. He sure is now. Has anything changed with the club between those two years? It's not the pro scouting.

IMO the main difference is Markstrom didn’t get his head knocked off. Before that game last year he was as good as now. And when he finally recovered he was good too. Obviously Calgary plays better defence this year but the number one reason is his health.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Markstrom is an example of how things change so quickly. He didn't play up to his 6x6 in year one. He sure is now. Has anything changed with the club between those two years? It's not the pro scouting.

Markstrom was injured in year one and had a bad stretch of games when he came back. In his particular case, what changed was his health. You can't prove anything by that.