What will Giordano's next contract be?

[The Hendog]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

7.5m per 5 years. 37.5m

I like this but would structure it as such - think it benefits Gio and the team better this way as Gio gets more money up front and the team pays less over time. Plus team pays more up front to keep the contract lenght at 5 years.

$9m (2016/17 Age 33)
$9m (2017/18 Age 34)
$7m (2018/19 Age 35)
$7m (2019/20 Age 36)
$5.5m (2020/21 Age 37)
Total $37.5m
AAV $7.5m

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

First of all, how the hell do you know this? (BTW, he's turning 32 in October)

I don't disagree with the truth that there are players who have longer contracts that become a burden, but unless Giordano starts having major injuries that actually change how effective he can be on the ice, then there's little to worry about him becoming a burden. His fitness and commitment levels are through the roof, hence why Treliving wants to get an extension done ASAP. A 5-6 year deal makes sense, but your assertions about what will undoubtedly happen to Giordano in the future are far too presumptive and negative.

This is pretty much what I would offer, although maybe 5 years instead, but I'd be good with 6.

Because the probability of a player in his 30's suddenly hitting career numbers year over year are very low. I don't think it's negative at all as the probability is high that he settles back closer to career norms which is fine but I don't think he should be paid $8 million for his career normal numbers. Best case scenario is that he becomes like Dan Boyle and can play to his late 30's but the fact is that Boyle's numbers have been on the decline since he turned 33 years old and he was a more consistent producer over his career than Giordano.

I personally don't see the rush to get him signed as the Flame have him under contract for next season which will possibly be his last major productive season. I really don't have an issue if he walks next summer because he wants 5 years at an average of $6 million or more. I cheer for the jersey and don't get overly attached or sentimental about players as I was one of the first posters here that wanted Iginla traded as there's an expiry date on all players and you have to know when to move on.

[darthma]

At most Erik Karlsson kind of money, so a $6.5M salary cap hit. I would not pay Gio 9M.

[SuperMatt18]

Think 6 years, with a $6.7 per season cap hit.

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[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Because the probability of a player in his 30's suddenly hitting career numbers year over year are very low. I don't think it's negative at all as the probability is high that he settles back closer to career norms which is fine but I don't think he should be paid $8 million for his career normal numbers. Best case scenario is that he becomes like Dan Boyle and can play to his late 30's but the fact is that Boyle's numbers have been on the decline since he turned 33 years old and he was a more consistent producer over his career than Giordano.

I personally don't see the rush to get him signed as the Flame have him under contract for next season which will possibly be his last major productive season. I really don't have an issue if he walks next summer because he wants 5 years at an average of $6 million or more. I cheer for the jersey and don't get overly attached or sentimental about players as I was one of the first posters here that wanted Iginla traded as there's an expiry date on all players and you have to know when to move on.

Losing Giordano to free agency in one year's time would be utterly devastating to this team, given the amount of relative inexperience throughout the roster. He is the best player on the team, the captain, the team's heart and soul... and there is no replacement in the offing. He is the captain we all wanted Iginla to be and he is a star in this league... you don't just let that walk away over a difference of $1m-2m per year. There are other ways to make that up, like getting rid of a guys like Raymond and Engelland.

You also have to consider Wideman getting older, the effect of losing a player like Gio could leave our D in shambles if Wideman declines over the next two years or leaves. There is no way that will be allowed to happen, unless the Flames are confident they will have an internal replacement ready (they don't). Even if the Flames have to overpay, it will happen because the they will not want to take a huge step back after this season's success. No Giordano in 14/15 and we would have been a bottom 5 team. I would argue the strong finish without him would not have been possible without the foundation that Gio helped build all year long. His influence behind the scenes seem nearly as instrumental to the team's success as his ability as a hockey player.

EDIT: Even trading him before he hits UFA would not help because we'd get picks and prospects, it would still be a step back for a few years. Plus, it would send a bad message to the rest of the team and the fans. This team is nearly ready now IMO, and it's built around Giordano as the captain, for better or worse.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Because the probability of a player in his 30's suddenly hitting career numbers year over year are very low. I don't think it's negative at all as the probability is high that he settles back closer to career norms which is fine but I don't think he should be paid $8 million for his career normal numbers. Best case scenario is that he becomes like Dan Boyle and can play to his late 30's but the fact is that Boyle's numbers have been on the decline since he turned 33 years old and he was a more consistent producer over his career than Giordano.

I personally don't see the rush to get him signed as the Flame have him under contract for next season which will possibly be his last major productive season. I really don't have an issue if he walks next summer because he wants 5 years at an average of $6 million or more. I cheer for the jersey and don't get overly attached or sentimental about players as I was one of the first posters here that wanted Iginla traded as there's an expiry date on all players and you have to know when to move on.

I'm pretty sure you're just trolling but you realize that he's the captain of the team right? And that as the captain, he led an extremely unlikely group to the second round of the playoffs. And that he's recognized around the league as being extremely hard working, dedicated, in shape, real pro, good guy off the ice, community minded. You know he was on the all star team. This guy has been a big part of shaping the culture of the group that just had pretty huge success and he wants to lead this team to a cup. This is the guy that Brian Burke, widely respected and been around the game for decades having won a Stanley Cup, named as one of the major reasons for this year's improbable success. This guy was pretty much a shoe-in for the Norris and led the NHL for points by a defenseman for most of the year until he was injured.

Or you could just ignore all of that and base your entire argument on your completely subjective and vague view that "next year could possibly be his last major productive season".

Plus he's a ninja so wtf

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by darthma

At most Erik Karlsson kind of money, so a $6.5M salary cap hit. I would not pay Gio 9M.

You can't use RFA contracts as a comparable.

If you don't want to go over $6.5, then you better be prepared to see him walk

[GioforPM]

He's arguably the best defenceman in the league in terms of overall game, plus he's the indisputed leader of the team. He's also been underpaid for several years.

I say he makes over 8 in his first few years of a new contract at least. I figure he averages at least 7 over the term.

[cannon7]

Would do a 2-3 year deal at $7-8M or a 4-5 year deal for $6-7M. Would also depend on how well Gio's pectoral tear is healing -- if his shot will never be 100% again then I might only offer a 1-2 year deal to see how Gio bounces back.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Would do a 2-3 year deal at $7-8M or a 4-5 year deal for $6-7M. Would also depend on how well Gio's pectoral tear is healing -- if his shot will never be 100% again then I might only offer a 1-2 year deal to see how Gio bounces back.

I'd rather get him long term, and front load to address a fear of his decline.

Offer him $6-7 M over 5 years and he walks.

[saillias]

Pinder presented an interesting idea of a 3 year deal at 8 mil cap hit. I'd imagine Gio would balk at that though, it's good for us but his agent would say, try 4 more years.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Front loaded with 5 years / 7.2 AAV

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Gio deserves 9m per season. I view him as a top 5 defenceman in the league. He also is a huge part of the community and the team identity.

He should be tied for the top paid defenceman in the nhl with P.K. and just above Weber for a few reasons.

1. he has been quite underpaid for 1-2 seasons depending on how you look at his performance last season.

2. He is deserving of the salary even without considering his off the ice efforts, locker room importance, character etc. Just as an all star caliber NHL defencemen; he deserves around 9m per year.

3. He is a perfect example for the kids. He is humble, hard working and his preperation from the sounds of it is top notch. He may just be one of the top 5 captains in the NHL, not just a top 5 defenceman.

4. He has a history with us, he's been here through thick and thin. He loves this club and wants to be a flame for life.

That being said, I'd be dissapointed if we gave him something like 5 years 9m AAV.

Give him 9m next season and the season after but have the contract be front loaded so we arent trapped with a 9m cap hit in 4 years when a lot of our young players will need or have big new contracts.

IF Gio's performances stay where they are and he makes it to the other side of 35 still playing like this and relatively injury free - we could always renegotiate his contract and pay him more than 6 and 5 million in the last 2 seasons.

[Dagger]

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[flamesrule_kipper34]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Because the probability of a player in his 30's suddenly hitting career numbers year over year are very low. I don't think it's negative at all as the probability is high that he settles back closer to career norms which is fine but I don't think he should be paid $8 million for his career normal numbers. Best case scenario is that he becomes like Dan Boyle and can play to his late 30's but the fact is that Boyle's numbers have been on the decline since he turned 33 years old and he was a more consistent producer over his career than Giordano.

I personally don't see the rush to get him signed as the Flame have him under contract for next season which will possibly be his last major productive season. I really don't have an issue if he walks next summer because he wants 5 years at an average of $6 million or more. I cheer for the jersey and don't get overly attached or sentimental about players as I was one of the first posters here that wanted Iginla traded as there's an expiry date on all players and you have to know when to move on.

Great comment about cheering for the front and not the back of the jersey.

But, the comparison of Iggy to Gio is laughable IMO.

Iggy was in a decline not necessarily points wise but direction wise for the team...Gio is a huge part of our culture change and in addition what he does on the ice we should value what he does off of it and in the locker room.

To lose Gio as you described in that situation would be utterly devastating period.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by saillias

Pinder presented an interesting idea of a 3 year deal at 8 mil cap hit. I'd imagine Gio would balk at that though, it's good for us but his agent would say, try 4 more years.

I mentioned something similar earlier in the thread.

If I was Gio, and was confident in my ability to stay healthy and competitive going forward, I would sign a short term (5 or less) deal and sign a bunch of 1 year deals afterwards. Selanne made himself a load of extra dough by doing this as opposed to signing a long term deal that drives the cap hit down with small later years.

[Stud_McCool]

Gio has only played 3/4 of a season the last few years - not including the shortened lockout season. That will be part of the negotiations Treliving will use if he's seeking anything more than $7M, IMO.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Stud_McCool

Gio has only played 3/4 of a season the last few years - not including the shortened lockout season. That will be part of the negotiations Treliving will use if he's seeking anything more than $7M, IMO.

That will have some impact on negotiations I'm sure, but I really think Giordano holds most of the cards here, and he knows it. I can't imagine how he won't get $8-9m on at least the first three years of the new deal. He knows if he goes to UFA, he will be the most sought after defenseman since Chara.

[Trojan97]

I just don't see the cap hit going higher than 7.25. Anything more would be an overpayment IMO. He's undoubtedly a top defenseman but his age is a factor.

4 yrs/29 mill is a fair deal for all involved.

[paulf7]

Cap Hits
Phaneuf - 7 mil
Brian Campbell - 7.1 mil
Boychuk - 6 mil

Gio deserves more than these guys (actually MUCH more), but for the sake of signing other players, I am sure he won't ask for much more.
6 years @ 7.5 cap hit is fair. If it's 5 years, I think the hit should be around 8 mil. You may be over paying in the future, but if the cap goes up (which it should) it won't feel as bad. And you are rewarding a player for what he has done in the past at such a cheap rate.
You do not want Gio going into the season without a contract. If he does well (and he should) he'll then wait it out and teams like Florida who need to hit the cap floor will throw bags of money at him. Gio seems like a team first kind of guy, but I am sure he wants to be compensated (who wouldn't).

[heep223]

Would you rather have PK Subban or Gio? I'd take Gio 10/10 times. Subban makes $9M.