The very fact that you say you wouldn't say it infront of D Sutter and his son, BTW Brent also has a Downs son. Tells me you know that the word isn't appropriate.
Are you sure about that? Both his sons play hockey or have played at a high level.
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Sliver, 4x4 specifically said he does not think the word is offensive. That is what Wormius is responding to.
To be clear, I don't think the word is offensive like saying the f word is offensive. I would say it in front of my parents and not have that shame I get when I swear in front of them. I know full well that I'm dissing someone when I say they're being ######ed, or that a situation is ######ed.
I don't see it as an awful or vulgar word, unless you were to use it really inappropriately. It would be horrible to say it to someone who is actually challenged. Like in Forrest Gump when the chick blurts out "Are you stupid or something?".
That was basically my point with fatso. I don't think fatso is inappropriate unless you say it to someone as a deliberate insult. I can call my buddy a fatso because he has a beer belly, but I wouldn't call my 300lbs buddy a fatso. I also wouldn't call a girl a fatso. Just like I wouldn't call my buddy's brother a ######, because he has cerebral palsy.
To be clear, I don't think the word is offensive like saying the f word is offensive. I would say it in front of my parents and not have that shame I get when I swear in front of them. I know full well that I'm dissing someone when I say they're being ######ed, or that a situation is ######ed.
I don't see it as an awful or vulgar word, unless you were to use it really inappropriately. It would be horrible to say it to someone who is actually challenged. Like in Forrest Gump when the chick blurts out "Are you stupid or something?".
That was basically my point with fatso. I don't think fatso is inappropriate unless you say it to someone as a deliberate insult. I can call my buddy a fatso because he has a beer belly, but I wouldn't call my 300lbs buddy a fatso. I also wouldn't call a girl a fatso. Just like I wouldn't call my buddy's brother a ######, because he has cerebral palsy.
Everything is by degrees. I guess, based on this post, if you feel the word is bad enough to not say in front of someone that the word literally applies to, it should probably not be used to insult someone else. "You are as stupid as my buddy's brother" is probably not something you would say. So why say the word that means the exact same thing?
I am proselytizing way more than I should. It does not even affect me personally. I think it is just a good conversation to have sometimes, to examine what we do and why we do it.
Everything is by degrees. I guess, based on this post, if you feel the word is bad enough to not say in front of someone that the word literally applies to, it should probably not be used to insult someone else. "You are as stupid as my buddy's brother" is probably not something you would say. So why say the word that means the exact same thing?
I am proselytizing way more than I should. It does not even affect me personally. I think it is just a good conversation to have sometimes, to examine what we do and why we do it.
I don't know. Why do I feel ok about mom jokes unless the person's mom is dead?
I would like to thank Titan for bring up this issue, and I would like to thank everyone who at the very least has given the word a second thought.
I am a proud parent to 2 boys with autism, and the word hurts. When you say my sandwich is "######ed", what are really saying?, the sandwich is probably bad, you don't like it, and you probably think less of it. Last year at my son's hockey practice someone in the stands yelled" look at the ###### on skates", it hurt, it hurt me and it really hurt my son. Every time my son or myself hears " my shoes are ######ed" or "I'm such a ######", it is a reminder of that day.
For all of you who think this is your "stand against political correctness", just realize you are hurting me, my son's and thousands of others who are in my shoes. Autism now strikes 1 in 65 children, odds are you are hurting more people than you know
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Thanks for sharing a more personal story to cast some light on this debate, Pliddy. Your experience sounds awful. I hope it was a child that yelled that, and I hope they were admonished for doing so. I can't imagine too many people finding that acceptable. I hate how kids are so vulnerable to hurtful things.
What is the consensus on common use of other insulting terms, like "fat"? I Googled "somebody called me fat" and I ended up at this blog. A couple quotes from the blog:
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Being called fat is something that is offensive and hurtful. It’s something I can forgive, but I cannot forget. Being called fat is a personal attack on your most vulnerable self. It’s a physical insult that leaves an emotional scar.
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I’m banning the word “fat” from my vocab, and you should too. That’s no way to describe a person.
I don't really see the difference, to be honest. Isn't any insulting term going to be hurtful to somebody? I definitely think tightening up the context (at the very least) in which we use some of these words is going to be a good thing.
Also, I guess just because people still throw around the word "fat" doesn't mean we can't clamp down on other hurtful words. Who knows, maybe "fat" will be next on the list of words that are no longer appropriate to use.
I'll tell you what your post did convince me of - to never use the r-word here again (and I'm going to re-examine where else I use it). I went through some of my post history and found a few examples of when I had used it. It bothers me that it would have brought up a bad memory for you. Sorry about that.
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Thanks for sharing a more personal story to cast some light on this debate, Pliddy. Your experience sounds awful. I hope it was a child that yelled that, and I hope they were admonished for doing so. I can't imagine too many people finding that acceptable. I hate how kids are so vulnerable to hurtful things.
What is the consensus on common use of other insulting terms, like "fat"? I Googled "somebody called me fat" and I ended up at this blog. A couple quotes from the blog:
I don't really see the difference, to be honest. Isn't any insulting term going to be hurtful to somebody? I definitely think tightening up the context (at the very least) in which we use some of these words is going to be a good thing.
Also, I guess just because people still throw around the word "fat" doesn't mean we can't clamp down on other hurtful words. Who knows, maybe "fat" will be next on the list of words that are no longer appropriate to use.
I'll tell you what your post did convince me of - to never use the r-word here again (and I'm going to re-examine where else I use it). I went through some of my post history and found a few examples of when I had used it. It bothers me that it would have brought up a bad memory for you. Sorry about that.
Sliver, I think the take away is to think about what you are saying. Not how you perceive it, but how your audience will perceive/receive it. Should be ban the use of the word "fat". When dealing with individuals and their body make up, maybe, yeah. When dealing with the meat, nah.
It all comes down to context. The word ###### is useful. I used it in a meeting the other day "I think the approach we are taking will ###### our ability to meet the client's expectations".
As an aside, I like that you ended your post saying you would be reviewing you useage of the word.
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You'd have to be a stupid moron to not see how ###### is different from stupid & moron.
Funny how you used moron, a previous term used to describe people with the intelligence of an 8 year old, used to describe mild intellectual disability, but hasn't been a medical term for about 80 years. Crazy how changing the meaning of the word from official use takes away the sting of the word decades after the fact.
Sliver, I think the take away is to think about what you are saying. Not how you perceive it, but how your audience will perceive/receive it. Should be ban the use of the word "fat". When dealing with individuals and their body make up, maybe, yeah. When dealing with the meat, nah.
It all comes down to context. The word ###### is useful. I used it in a meeting the other day "I think the approach we are taking will ###### our ability to meet the client's expectations".
As an aside, I like that you ended your post saying you would be reviewing you useage of the word.
I don't believe you actually said that. Wouldn't you use hinder, or prevent. I have never heard ###### used outside of let's get ######ed or your ######ed.
