06-21-2023, 05:42 PM
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Turgenev is underrated by some I think. Yeah he was offense only, which describes a bunch of players in the HHOF.
Guess he was overshadowed by some flashier players but he deserves it IMO.
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06-21-2023, 05:45 PM
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#62
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And congrats to Vernon for sure. A borderline case but ice to see playoff performance rewarded.
He has a stronger case than Kipper IMO.
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06-21-2023, 05:59 PM
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#63
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About bloody time!! Atta boy Vernie! Home town OG Wrangler in the Hall!
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06-21-2023, 06:05 PM
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#64
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Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Indiana
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Very happy for Vernon. Between him and Wolf, Calgary will have a rich history of small goalies.
Gary Suter should be in the Hall.
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06-21-2023, 06:19 PM
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#65
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If Hitch is in Sutter should get in one day as well.
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06-21-2023, 06:49 PM
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#66
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Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Brisbane
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The era of snubbing goalies is over. The era a snubbing Russians is here.
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06-21-2023, 06:52 PM
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#67
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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The era of snubbing goalies is over. The era a snubbing Russians is here.
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06-21-2023, 06:59 PM
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#68
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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When I saw the speculation that Lundqvist was going to get in, I was revving up for my annual rant about Vernon not being in the Hall.
Now, I don't know what I'm going to do with myself.
Congrats Mike. This is a LONG ####ING TIME OVERDUE.
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06-21-2023, 07:04 PM
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#69
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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Yup...entirely deserving and completely earned.
He was really good for a long time and did it with merciless treatment by fans for the first few years.
Really good stuff and all the others are great choices as well.
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06-21-2023, 07:09 PM
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Time to honour Al Macinnis and Joe Nieuwendyk properly than. Forever A Flames can be for guys like Robyn Regehr and Michael Backlund, the former two deserve full retirement in this city.
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Joe was a contract holdout in 1995. Luckily it led to Iginla.
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06-21-2023, 07:51 PM
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#71
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I saw him once at Earl's on 4th street. A very attractive girl came up to him and then they left shortly after.
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we were celebrating the Flames taking out the Hawks in the 89 semifinals in that same location- who should come in a little later but Hall of Famer Mike Vernon, freshly off the win. he proceeded to buy shots for the entire bar
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06-21-2023, 07:55 PM
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#72
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Originally Posted by CroFlames
I view Kipper as better than Vernon tbh.
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different for sure
little question peak Kipper (regular season or what have you) reached higher heights than Vernon, but Vernon (although maligned at times for sure and in a different era) really (IMO at least) went toe to toe with his HOF contemporaries Fuhr and Roy in some epic matchups over the years and fared well
the 3 rookies of 86 Suter, Vernon, Otto all turned the page in different ways for the Flames when it came to slaying the dragon and taking the next step , but Vernon stepping in and stopping the bleeding on the prolonged losing streak that season was the beginning of a wonderful run of years for the Flaming C
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06-21-2023, 08:05 PM
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#73
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Does anyone know how many goalies led their teams to the Finals at least a decade apart?
Off the top of my head, in the post-expansion era: Fleury (2008 - 2018), Brodeur (1995 - 2012), Roy (1986 - 2001), Osgood (1998 - 2009), and Vernon (1986 - 1997).
Also, Hextall also did it in 87 and 97 although Snow started more games in the playoffs in 97, Hextall got their final 3 wins in the Conference Final and started 3 of the 4 games in the Final.
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06-21-2023, 08:21 PM
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Who is a modern-day comp for Turgeon? Brad Richards, Spezza and Giroux come to mind, though I think Turgeon is probably a baby-step above them.
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06-21-2023, 08:25 PM
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Johnny Gaudreau
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06-21-2023, 08:40 PM
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#76
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Who is a modern-day comp for Turgeon? Brad Richards, Spezza and Giroux come to mind, though I think Turgeon is probably a baby-step above them.
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So for a 12 year period between 88-89 (his second season) and 00-01 (his last PPG season) he was 6th in NHL in total points and 12th in Points per game.
Thornton is pretty close but not perfect as he was more prolific and had more individual accolades but similar limited playoff success and both first overall picks.
Tavares when his career is over might be closest.
Both 1st overall picks, limited playoff success on bad teams, no real individual trophies or accolades, but Tavares is 4th in points over the last 12 seasons and 17th in PPG over that span.
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06-21-2023, 08:40 PM
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#77
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Originally Posted by troutman
Joe was a contract holdout in 1995. Luckily it led to Iginla.
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So what? Iginla held out in '99 and almost again in 2002.
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06-21-2023, 08:43 PM
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#78
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Originally Posted by Strange Brew
Turgenev is underrated by some I think.
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Dostoevsky and Tolstoy get all the press but Fathers and Sons has stood the test of time.
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06-21-2023, 09:15 PM
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#79
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
So for a 12 year period between 88-89 (his second season) and 00-01 (his last PPG season) he was 6th in NHL in total points and 12th in Points per game.
Thornton is pretty close but not perfect as he was more prolific and had more individual accolades but similar limited playoff success and both first overall picks.
Tavares when his career is over might be closest.
Both 1st overall picks, limited playoff success on bad teams, no real individual trophies or accolades, but Tavares is 4th in points over the last 12 seasons and 17th in PPG over that span.
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Lecavalier might be another good one, without the longevity of course. Or Sundin.
I think Thornton is a clear cut above with guys like Dionne and Ron Francis (Oates, Hawerchuk, Modano, etc)
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06-21-2023, 11:53 PM
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#80
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Johnny Gaudreau
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Kind of, but without the down years.
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