[Trade] Seattle trades Pitlick to the Flames for a 2022 4th round pick

[PepsiFree]

I heard Treliving had a choice to pick up Eichel for Monahan and a 3rd but instead chose to use the 3rd on Pitlick.

Crazy if true!

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Have to see what the pick is. If it's higher than a 5th, its a waste of a pick. There is a reason why Pitlick has been around the league more than COVID in a Florida retirement community, he's not a very good hockey player.

I actually think he is a pretty good player who was hampered by injuries early in his career.
He'll give good value for his pay and where he's likely slotted.

[Royle9]

At some point though we have to look at how many 2nd/3rd's we've wasted for "depth" and "role" guys and start to question the logic. I mean how many of these guys weve wasted picks put any impact on the Flames hopes/chances of playoff runs etc.

In almost all cases the pick would have been better off in our pocket. Yea you can run the math and say less than 10% of 3rd rounders ever play in the NHL but I'd certainly like keep that dart and throw it at the board for 10% chance at a homerun.

Teams that value these picks have more success and development from within, why waste that on a guy who wont be here long term. I'd certainly prefer keeping the pick and giving the opportunity to a young guy like Pelltier/Gawdin/Ruzicka or even Zary myself.

We then get the cap space + development time and can use that money elsewhere to shore up top 6 scoring or a defenseman for the top 4. Flames need star power and scoring more than we need another 4th line 'energy' guy.

If the pick is a 4th or 5th sure, but I can almost guarantee its EDM's 3rd.

[Harry Lime]

Pitlick is so good, that every year he is on a new team, because every team wants Pitlick. He gets paid slightly more every year, until eventually he stops going to new teams, and that final team will be the special lucky team.

[TOfan]

Wow, I’m impressed.

A lot of really smart people here who have a thorough knowledge and understanding of what Tyler Pitlick bring and his limitations. Sounds like the CP mob, once again, has it figured out while Treliving and the actual team of hockey executives around him continue to run a muck of it.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Great. Do we get their PK coaches to go with Pitlick? Different systems usually generate different results. The more I think about this move the more I dislike it.

Then how will we ever trade Tkachuk? Unless, of course, our coaches are part of the deal.

[Canada 02]

who on the UFA market is as good or better than Pitlick and how much do you think it would cost to sign him?

Honest question as I don't know 4th line depth players across the league with any degree of certainty

Pretty much the entire 4th line + 13 forward will be replaced this summer. Ritchie gets one spot, maybe Gawdin gets another. Still two spots open. Players like this are needed, whether by trade, UFA signing or from within

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by rhino

About 10% of 3rd round picks play more than 100 games in the nhl. So using the draft pick and then the time and money of development probably holds less appeal than getting a guy who plays a role right now

You're right, but it's just a big bag of nothing to me. I'm personally hoping to see bigger changes coming up. The 4th line wasn't our issue last year so this rumored trade just seems inconsequential.

[Savvy27]

Not too excited about this potential trade, even if I think I understand it. He fills some holes being a bigger, right-shot player who has experience on the penalty kill. He seems to be a player that will suit Sutter's checking game style, so that would be a plus.

For a guy that has played years in the Western conference, I can't place him in my mind at all. He's pretty big and can skate, so he will help the team forge that Sutter identity and I won't complain about that.

[Tiger]

People: don’t trade picks away for nhl player. That 5th rounder could be amazing

Also people: our drafting and player development sucks. We are terrible at it.

[JurassicTunga12]

Seems like a Sutter type of player.

[dammage79]

Is he going to make life tougher for those who play against the Flames than Derek Ryan?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by JurassicTunga12

Seems like a Sutter type of player.

That is the positive outcome in this, he's a Darryl Sutter type player. Moves like this were predictable, but it still sucks to see assets wasted on bottom end players.

[ricardodw]

With Sutter I do not see 4 equal lines rolling.

With Pitlick I see him on the Backlund line and it will be used as a pure checking line. It will likely start most games.

It will be labelled the #3 checking line. Get ready to see them going up against Karlsson, Petterson and McDavid.

The Flames will only need 6 Top-6 forwards to complete an actual top-6.

Right now the top-6 are Tkachuk, Mangiapane, Monahan, Gaudreau, Lindholm

The Flames wanted Hyman but he was too pricey so expect some other over priced UFA to be in the top-6

Lucic will be on the 4th line along with Ritchie and asked to be proactively truculent. If Lucic gets moved up for a shift on a top line it will be a clear sign that someone shouldn't have slashed Johnny or otherwise physically intimidated him or Tkachuk wrote a cheque that Lucic needs to cash.


Right now the best defensive forward will get to play on the checking line and the best offensive forward will get to play in the top-6

Pelletier Zary and Dube are all trying out for these 2 spots. With Dube having a chance to hang onto a 4th line spot.

No more BS with replacement players playing in the top-9 and ruining 3 lines.

[Kipper_3434]

Not a bad pick up if true. Pitlick obviously isn't the gamebreaker we desire , but he plays the right way and brings some depth to the bottom 6 . Should help us pick up few points. I don't normally like the idea of moving mid round picks for depth but with the uncertainty surrounding scouting this year I could see more whiffed draft picks than usual.

[SuperMatt18]

Pitlick is very similar to Barclay Goodrow IMO.

Both 6'2" around 200 lbs.

Neither provide much offensively. Pitlick is 0.3 PPG the last two years. Goodrow is 0.36 PPG.

Similar advanced stats profiles the last couple years (Pitlick actually profiles as a better defensive forward over that time).

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by transplant99

A 3rd for an established NHL player is not a big price to pay.

They need a C to play on the bottom line with Ryan probably moving on, and he fits the bill, particularly being a RS.

Also, Pitlick = Big, Big = Good

It's a Sutter-coached team and this looks like a Sutter player

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by rhino

About 10% of 3rd round picks play more than 100 games in the nhl. So using the draft pick and then the time and money of development probably holds less appeal than getting a guy who plays a role right now

There's no way this is true.

2008: 7 of the third round picks have played 100+ games so far.
2009: 8 of the third round picks have played 100+ games so far.
2010: 7 of the third round picks have played 100+ games so far.
2011: 11 of the third round picks have played 100+ games so far
2012: 14 of the third round picks have played 100+ games so far.
2013: 9 have so far.

Looks to be about 31%.
And this disregards the fact that a handful of those guys are star players (especially goalies).

And again, the "third round picks rarely play" logic is ridiculous. A random team like Anaheim should spend 8 third round picks on Rinaldo's rights then, since Rinaldo has played in the NHL.

Someone like Adam Fox, a third round pick, has more value than all of these guys combined: Bollig, Pitlick, Gustafsson, Forbort, Fantenberg, Smith, Lazard, Elliott, and Hamonic.

[neo45]

This would be such a bonehead move

Guy isn’t even worth his cap hit for what he brings, 3rd round picks are valuable, and free agency is about to open where there are always Tyler Pitlicks available for cheap

We have a bottom 5 prospect pool and we just missed playoffs. We need draft picks.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Hope it's a 4th or 5th
Will be OK if its a 3rd
Will hate it if its a 2nd.