What is the most you would give up for 3rd OA?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

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subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty, and typically not admitting of a final decision: whether the temperature rise was mainly due to the greenhouse effect was a moot point.
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I know, thank you apple iphone autocorrect for making look dumb. I do that well enough without it's help.

[GranteedEV]

I shudder to imagine our team without Backlund, especially with an 18 year old winger being his replacement. he's our only strong defensive forward, without him we might approach Oilers levels of ineptitude in the D zone.

I'd be okay with moving Backs once Bennett, Jankowski and Monahan can be considered competent two-way forwards, but they're simply not that yet.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I would not describe the third overall pick as magic beans.

Maybe not but you still don't know what you're going to get from Puljujarvi at the NHL level, and the difference between the player you get at #6 and Puljujarvi isn't an actual quality NHL center like Backlund ++ IMO.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ah123

I can see Columbus picking Puljujarvi and then trying to trade for the 5th/6th/7th overall pick to draft Logan Brown. Not sure what they would offer Vancouver/Calgary/Phoenix to entice them to trade their pick. It would be quite a coup for them if they could draft both Puljujarvi and Brown

Due to the fact Columbus is in cap problems there is not a ton with the Flames at least. If they wanted to move Saad perhaps Vancouver makes that trade? They love trading assets for 2011 draftees.

Saad, Jones, and Murray are probably they only pieces they have that lands a top 7 pick in the draft while retaining Puljujarvi

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

And how many of those are relevant to this actual discussion involving not just moving up but moving up to a position where many believe the player is a lot better.

The fact that there hasn't been one single trade up scenario in all that time that involved an NHL player going the other way is pretty telling.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

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[dino7c]

scouts also universally agreed Yakapov was the best player in the 2012 draft...these players careers are far from certain. There is a better than average chance that somebody taken after 3 will have a better career than at least one of the top 3

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

The fact that there hasn't been one single trade up scenario in all that time that involved an NHL player going the other way is pretty telling.

No not really as it could also illustrate that teams demand a very steep price. High picks don't move because they are valuable not because they aren't

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by dino7c

scouts also universally agreed Yakapov was the best player in the 2012 draft...3

No they didn't. And that draft was considered weak at the top end even at the time

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by roughriderrowdy

thought we could have a thread strictly about moving up to the 3rd oa pick from columbus, and if we were the gm what the most we would offer. Im interested in what cp would do trade wise. The most i would give up would be the following : To cgy: 3rd oa to clb: 6 oa, 35 oa, m. Jankowski, m. Backlund

holy freaking overpayment, batman!!!

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

No not really as it could also illustrate that teams demand a very steep price. High picks don't move because they are valuable not because they aren't

Yes. A very high price that other GMs obviously aren't willing to pay otherwise we probably would have seen a trade or two similar to the OPs proposal.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yes. A very high price that other GMs obviously aren't willing to pay otherwise we probably would have seen a trade or two similar to the OPs proposal.

I don't think that's fair, because when a very top pick falls in the range with one of a select few blue chip prospects in a draft, not many teams are willing to move them - for any reason.

[RoughRiderRowdy]

Originally Posted by Rejean31

holy freaking overpayment, batman!!!

Serious question, its aimed at everyone on here not just you. How are we going to find/acquire top end RH RW talent without drafting? Ya it may be over payment but i just dont see how we are going to fix the problem wthout doing that. Thats why we have built up the assets over our rebuild to be in a position where we can do this.

[killer_carlson]

I wonder what it would take to get the #1, 2, or 3 without giving up our #6.

[JiriHrdina]

Bennett+

[kn]

Jarmo is just not going to do anything with a stud Finn available unless it's a ridiculous overpayment that includes Bennett, Gaudreau or Monahan.

Let's just grab a solid guy at #6.

[Demetric]

6th 35th and magiapani (spelling?)

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[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by RoughRiderRowdy

How are we going to find/acquire top end RH RW talent without drafting?

Well let's see.


How was Patric Hornqvist acquired? In a trade for James Neal (who was acquired along with Matt Niskanen in a trade for Alex Goligoski)

How was Phil Kessel acquired? In a trade for "Nick Spaling(=Jooris), forward Kasperi Kapanen (=Poirier), Scott Harrington(=Wotherspoon), plus first (30th OA, ~=35th OA) and third-round pick. "

How was Joel Ward acquired? UFA signing.

How was TJ Oshie acquired? In a trade for Troy Brouwer (who was acquired in a trade for a 1st round pick (26th OA)

How was Filip Forsberg acquired? In a trade for Martin Erat (who shoots left)

How was Tyler Toffoli acquired? 2nd Round Draft Pick.

How was Mark Stone acquired? 5th round draft pick.

How was Patrick Sharp acquired? In a trade along with Stephen Johns for Trevor Daley who was then discarded a few months later.

Don't fall too in love with a prospect to fill an immediate need. You fill immediate needs via trades for established players. You fill talent via the draft, and we don't want to give up present talent to add maybe future talent.

[TheScorpion]

I'd target 3OA with:

6OA + 35OA + E. Poirier + P. Sieloff, at most.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by dino7c

scouts also universally agreed Yakapov was the best player in the 2012 draft...these players careers are far from certain. There is a better than average chance that somebody taken after 3 will have a better career than at least one of the top 3

Universally? That is definitely a false statement. Calgary had Galchenyuk rated #1. Edmonton scouts had Murray #1. Toronto had Rielly #1. Yakupov wasnt a consensus #1 at all. Universal? That is demonstrably false. Yakupov wasn't even universally #1 for EDM scouts, 9 of them in favor of Murray and 1 for Yakupov and 1 who got pressured into voting for Yak.