Edmonton is No Good X: Up and Down Like a Toilet Seat

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mull

Isn't Foegele only getting $2.75M? Anyway, he is an UFA in 2 years, I think you roll the dice on Puljujarvi if your Chicago.

So if you're the GM of Chicago, and EDM calls you up with a proposal for your franchise player, based around Puljujarvi, you think "yeah, I don't mind rolling the dice on him"?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Mull

Isn't Foegele only getting $2.75M? Anyway, he is an UFA in 2 years, I think you roll the dice on Puljujarvi if your Chicago.

$2.9M this season and $3.25M next season in real money. Cap hit is $2.75/year but the Hawks don't need to throw away money to reach the cap floor.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/warren-foegele

[Major Major]

Ya, it seems part of the leverage Edmonton media are dreaming about is that Kane will tell Chicago he'll only be an Oiler, which is nonsense. Chicago knows that the time to deal him is the deadline... Busts the market wide open. If Edmonton wants him now, it's not cheap.

1st, recent 1st prospect, puljaarvi for Kane

2nd for retention

3rd for 3rd party retention.

So 23 1st, Bourgeault, puljaarvi, 2nd and 3rd

For Kane with 75 % retention. I say do it.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So if you're the GM of Chicago, and EDM calls you up with a proposal for your franchise player, based around Puljujarvi, you think "yeah, I don't mind rolling the dice on him"?

No not what I said.

[topfiverecords]

The Keith’s are working hard in their shared cubicle outside Lowe’s empty office to get this done.

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by Mull

While a stretch, I think its within the realm of possibility, with the biggest issue not being the trade but Kane choosing to waive to go to Edmonton.

The 3rd for $2.6M cap eating seems low, but its honestly not that far off. A 2nd would cover that easily given there is no no-movement clause at work for that 25% like we had with Monny- a 3rd is possibly attainable but a stretch.

The largest issue with the trade itself is I think the prospect has to be better though (i.e. one of the names listed) - Chicago has now till the trade deadline to drive prices up. However, if they moved on the prospect restrictions he put in, I think this is a done deal if Kane waived.

Agreed. By virtue of being coiler fans, they have convinced themselves that everyone wants to play with McJesus and DrySaddle. So bad so that they will all take huge pay cuts, waive any NMC's they have and demand their agents get them there. Furthermore, they believe that every other team is so enamored with the oilers that they will retain salary, get another team to do the same, and turn down better offers to make the coilers a better team, all the while just accepting 7th rounders in return. Why would Arizona take a pittance to retain a large chunk of salary, while helping a team they will be against in the race to the bottom, better at racing to the bottom? GM's have egos just as much as the next guy, they aren't some kumbaya club that will take it on the chin to help their fellow GM. They will literally be the final say in this deal, and they know that they can probably pick up a pick and prospect for the right to do so.

And considering the fleecing they took on the Keith trade where they were bidding against themselves, I would have no faith in Holland magically making the dream deal to get Kane without robbing the farm and the future blind.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Stauffer was suggesting the Oilers can get Patrick Kane for Puljuarvi or Foegele, 2023 1st, a prospect not named Broberg, Holloway, Schaefer, or Bourgault with the Blackhawks eating 50% salary.

And they will give another team a 3rd to eat another 50% for 75% retained.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...l-insider-says

Also interesting that article suggest Nurse will have the best year of his career with the weight of that extension about to hit. Also they predict Brett Kulak to all of a sudden improve when he turns 29?

I obviously look at the Oilers through some hate but I don’t agree with the notion this team has improved. I think there is a reason the Leafs let Campbell walk and roll the dice with Murray yet Oiler fans feel comfortable giving him the 5x5 deal? I think he will be as much of a solution for Edmonton as Talbot or Elliott were in Calgary which is average to below average.

Is Woodcroft some elite coach in the making or did they benefit from a new coach bump? Time will tell. Is Evander Kane as motivated now that he secured a contract over $20M? That Kadri contract is going to age so poorly yet Kane was from the same draft class. If he slumps and gets demoted to the Nuge line will he take it in stride or will he doing what Evander Kane does? He has been basically kicked out of 3 other locker rooms so not sure why all of a sudden he will be a completely changed man in Edmonton considering he is no longer hungry for the contract.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by GhostCookie

Agreed. By virtue of being coiler fans, they have convinced themselves that everyone wants to play with McJesus and DrySaddle. So bad so that they will all take huge pay cuts, waive any NMC's they have and demand their agents get them there. Furthermore, they believe that every other team is so enamored with the oilers that they will retain salary, get another team to do the same, and turn down better offers to make the coilers a better team, all the while just accepting 7th rounders in return. Why would Arizona take a pittance to retain a large chunk of salary, while helping a team they will be against in the race to the bottom, better at racing to the bottom? GM's have egos just as much as the next guy, they aren't some kumbaya club that will take it on the chin to help their fellow GM. They will literally be the final say in this deal, and they know that they can probably pick up a pick and prospect for the right to do so.

And considering the fleecing they took on the Keith trade where they were bidding against themselves, I would have no faith in Holland magically making the dream deal to get Kane without robbing the farm and the future blind.

So I kind of don't get this response. The trade proposal is what it is, why exaggerate on it and pretend they are asking to trade 7th round draft picks?

Anyway, as I said, I don't think the 3rd for $2.5M cap space is absolutely crazy, I think its a bit of a stretch. But, you're a team who has cap space not expected to be filled, that's a "free' 3rd if your bottom line can handle it. Still, I think with a 2nd instead the $2.5M portion of this trade is extremely viable, and I think most agree with that at least.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Kane's been a face of that franchise for a while. I would think the Hawks would want considerably more in return than 1st and junk. I just don't see the privilege of paying Foegele $6 million over the next two seasons as a sweetener in any trade. Nose licker has been available for three years now and would be more of a throw in than major asset.

I think you’re over valuing what “the face of a franchise” means to any trade partner given the entire nhl knows they should trade him by the deadline and he is in the last year if his long contract.

Then again , Florida seemed to give a kings ransom to Calgary because someone called Matthew an unicorn

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Stauffer was suggesting the Oilers can get Patrick Kane for Puljuarvi or Foegele, 2023 1st, a prospect not named Broberg, Holloway, Schaefer, or Bourgault with the Blackhawks eating 50% salary.

And they will give another team a 3rd to eat another 50% for 75% retained.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...l-insider-says

I would trade Dube, Valimaki and a 1st for Kane and trade a 2nd to another team to get Kane retained twice.

I'm sure at least 25 teams would trade low rated prospects, cap dumps and 3rds with just 1 1st for Pat Kane at $2.75. Maybe all 31 other teams would

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by Mull

So I kind of don't get this response. The trade proposal is what it is, why exaggerate on it and pretend they are asking to trade 7th round draft picks? .

Sorry, my response was a bit vague in it's target. It was facetious and deliberately a bit exaggerative, but not specific to the rumored Kane cost. It was aimed at the delusion that is oiler fans when any big name is announced as available, they inherently believe that they have a special status and that no NMC applies to them as everyone will always waive, nay, demand, they go to Edmonton, as well as that every team and GM will bend over backwards to make it happen. This time it's Kane, but it has also been Price and MAF as well.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I would trade Dube, Valimaki and a 1st for Kane and trade a 2nd to another team to get Kane retained twice.

I'm sure at least 25 teams would trade low rated prospects, cap dumps and 3rds with just 1 1st for Pat Kane at $2.75. Maybe all 31 other teams would

When I said they gave a roadmap, those are the players I had in mind. And they’d be more interesting to Chicago too.

[dino7c]

There will be some monster offers for Kane

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I just don't get why they think 2.75M in dead cap is worth so little in return. Cap space is expensive, especially this year and probably next year too.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Mull

Isn't Foegele only getting $2.75M? Anyway, he is an UFA in 2 years, I think you roll the dice on Puljujarvi if your Chicago.

Why he's a 24 year old meh at best player that's not well suited to the bottom 6 and has shown nothing to show he's a top 6 winger. If the Hawks are going into serious rebuild mode, they're going to want a high profile prospect and a first round pick, especially if the Oilers want them to eat half their salary.

This deal just can't make sense for the Oilers.

Holloway or Bouchard would need to be involved, because Boberg isn't all that interesting, and a first round pick at the least.

The Hawks will get far more interest from Kane at the deadline if they're patient.

If Edmonton wants him early they need to step up and not with hot junk like Foegele or Poolparty as a key piece.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Why he's a 24 year old meh at best player that's not well suited to the bottom 6 and has shown nothing to show he's a top 6 winger. If the Hawks are going into serious rebuild mode, they're going to want a high profile prospect and a first round pick, especially if the Oilers want them to eat half their salary.

This deal just can't make sense for the Oilers.

Holloway or Bouchard would need to be involved, because Boberg isn't all that interesting, and a first round pick at the least.

The Hawks will get far more interest from Kane at the deadline if they're patient.

If Edmonton wants him early they need to step up and not with hot junk like Foegele or Poolparty as a key piece.

But .. you’re agreeing with me in a way to argue. I stated the other prospects need to be involved

[SaskyFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Stauffer was suggesting the Oilers can get Patrick Kane for Puljuarvi or Foegele, 2023 1st, a prospect not named Broberg, Holloway, Schaefer, or Bourgault with the Blackhawks eating 50% salary.

And they will give another team a 3rd to eat another 50% for 75% retained.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...l-insider-says

They couldn’t even trade Pulijuarvi on his own, now he is going to be one of the key pieces getting P. Kane. That is insane, teams would be lined up to do that. Maybe that is why Brad wanted to protect our 2023 first in the Monahan trade. So we could send Dube, Tuuola, 2023 1st and a 3rd for Kane 75% retained. If that is all it is going to take do it now.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

When I said they gave a roadmap, those are the players I had in mind. And they’d be more interesting to Chicago too.

I believe that Dube has more value than Puljujarvi. Especially since Dube makes less and is signed for 2 more years.

Valimaki has way more value than Foegele. Foegele contracts is back end loaded too so it's not a good contract to buy out. So he would have to be a keeper for Chicago to have any interest. I could see at least a 3rd needed to just trade Foegele away for future considerations. Maybe a 2nd. Valimaki is worth a pick for sure just not sure if he gets a 2nd at this point.

Even saying this I doubt Chicago picks this offer from the Flames as I see at least 10 teams going all in on a Pat Kane @ $2.75 mil.

[dino7c]

Every year we get stories like this from Edmonton...what high end player have the Oilers ever brought in via trade?

[SuperMatt18]

If you use Monahan as a comparison then technically Chicago retaining 50% is worth a 1st ($5.25M), and then another team retaining $2.75M is probably worth a 2nd.

Chicago isn't going to retain on Kane like it's a bad contract - he's played at a 96 point pace per 82 games the last two seasons. So $10M is still his market value.

So you're looking at a 1st and 2nd before you even get to the value of what Kane is worth in return. I'd say he's worth a roster player, top prospect and a 1st still.

Plus you're going to have to overpay to get the deal done now IMO, because at the deadline you'll have more teams involved when Kane's contract is less of a barrier as teams have more cap room.

Honestly don't see how Edmonton would get him before Colorado if Colorado is interested in adding Kane. More cap space, and more assets.

If I'm Chicago I'm asking for one of Broberg/Holloway/Savoie, 1st, Puljujarvi, and 1st for 50% retention.