Ostriches

[flamesfever]

My wife used to buy ostrich oil which she applied to her skin after taking a bath.

Here’s a list of the potential health benefits of ostrich oil.

1. Ostrich oil has the potential to moisturize the skin.
2. May help reduce inflammation.
3. Ostrich oil could aid in wound healing.
4. May help relieve muscle pain.
5. Ostrich oil has been shown to improve skin elasticity.
6. Scars and stretch marks may be reduced by using ostrich oil.
7. Ostrich oil could help your hair.
8. May be beneficial to dry skin.
9.Ostrich oil may be beneficial to nail health.
10. May benefit joint health.

[WideReceiver]

It can also help your sex life if you apply it for her.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The source is from the farms FB page. Is it the most reliable source? No. Here is the big problem I have with this, the government has ordered the cull of these birds and refuses to test them to see if they are contagious. They claim it is too expensive to do so. The farm and outside supporters have offered to pay to have the testing done and the government had threatened them with charges and jail time if they do so. The farm has indicated if the birds are ordered to be destroyed by the courts they will do it themselves in a humane way but that is not acceptable either because if the CFIA does the cull the government is off the hook to compensate them for the birds. That is 3000 a bird so if they destroy this farms remaining that's a loss of $100,00. There is no reason whatsoever to stop testing these birds if the farm is footing the bill. I mean is it remotely realistic to think a disease that can wipe out half a flock in 48 hours because it kills birds so fast has not killed one bird from this flock in all this time? This isn't about avian flu at this point, it's political. Test the damn birds, if they are safe leave them alone. If there is any red flags then cull the here and properly compensate this farm.

Stop being reasonable.

[puffnstuff]

What part of the ostrich does the oil come from exactly?

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

What part of the ostrich does the oil come from exactly?

You have to stroke their neck vigourously.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The birds don't have avian flu, the birds that did have it are dead. There is no reason to destroy the remaining ostriches.

On the other hand this farm put the entire world at risk with its behaviour and should lose all rights to raise animals. Ignoring cull orders can’t be acceptable.

They had bird flu and animals died.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GGG

On the other hand this farm put the entire world at risk with its behaviour and should lose all rights to raise animals. Ignoring cull orders can’t be acceptable.

They had bird flu and animals died.

Oh, do tell how the farm put the entire world at risk. Lol. They have not ignored any orders, they got a stay from the Supreme Court.

[Codes]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The source is from the farms FB page. Is it the most reliable source? No. Here is the big problem I have with this, the government has ordered the cull of these birds and refuses to test them to see if they are contagious. They claim it is too expensive to do so. The farm and outside supporters have offered to pay to have the testing done and the government had threatened them with charges and jail time if they do so. The farm has indicated if the birds are ordered to be destroyed by the courts they will do it themselves in a humane way but that is not acceptable either because if the CFIA does the cull the government is off the hook to compensate them for the birds. That is 3000 a bird so if they destroy this farms remaining that's a loss of $100,00. There is no reason whatsoever to stop testing these birds if the farm is footing the bill. I mean is it remotely realistic to think a disease that can wipe out half a flock in 48 hours because it kills birds so fast has not killed one bird from this flock in all this time? This isn't about avian flu at this point, it's political. Test the damn birds, if they are safe leave them alone. If there is any red flags then cull the here and properly compensate this farm.

Again, the issue is that the flock was ordered to be culled when the outbreak was detected in December. End of story. The fact that this has been litigated and dragged out has resulted in a situation where you now have ambiguity. This is atypical, and as I said earlier, could set a dangerous precedent where it becomes more difficult for authorities to manage, not only avian influenza outbreaks, but incursions of other high consequence pathogens (BSE, ASF, CSFV, sheeppox, etc) that follow the same "stamping out" policy. This has real-world implications that go far beyond this farm. The fact of the matter is there is no way of knowing what has transpired over the interim.

If I'm being honest, this is a matter of policy enforcement rather than cost. The issue of money comes into play when you consider large-scale trade ramifications when your country is no longer deemed free of a certain pathogen.

That post from Facebook is written from an emotional, biased and uninformed perspective. It is very reasonable to sympathise with the farm, but this is just one piece of a much larger puzzle. I think a case can be made that standard compensation is probably insufficient given an ostrich is not a run of the mill chicken, goose or duck, but the policy needs to be enforced.

The problem is biosecurity. A case maybe could have been made if the birds were truly quarantined from the environment until declared pathogen-free (extremely expensive and would likely bankrupt the farm), but the reality is they were and continue to roam freely and there is really not much that can be done to prevent interaction with birds and other mammalian species that share the evironment.

If you look south at the unprecedented detection of avian influenza in cows in 2024 and the subsequent spread amongst dairy herds across the United States, have you ever stopped to wonder why Canada did not suffer a similar fate? Strict biosecurity policies designed to mitigate as much as possible the spread of diseases.

[Locke]

In this day and age of high oil prices, excessive inflation, outrageous tariffs, the occasional pandemic/plague did we really need to start beef with the Ostriches too?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Oh, do tell how the farm put the entire world at risk. Lol. They have not ignored any orders, they got a stay from the Supreme Court.

All references are based on two PCR tests from December 2024 — with no live follow-up testing of animals, eggs, blood, water, or soil since then.

From your source.

They had confirmed H5N1 in their Flock and did not cull and they did not report.


From other sources

The farm said it had 450 ostriches at the beginning of December 2024.

Weeks later, a flock of wild ducks landed in the ostrich's open air enclosure. In the days and weeks that followed, 69 of the farm's youngest birds died after contracting a respiratory infection, said the CFIA.

An anonymous source reported the deaths to the CFIA, as the farm did not self-report. CFIA then imposed a quarantine order and visited the farm to collect samples from two of the dead birds.

On Dec. 31, Universal was told the tests for avian flu were positive, and an order to cull the remaining flock was issued.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...iner-1.7644796

By not reporting bird deaths as is their legal obligation they put the world at risk.

Regardless of what happens with the birds this farm should not be allowed to exist.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GGG

From your source.

They had confirmed H5N1 in their Flock and did not cull and they did not report.


From other sources



https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...iner-1.7644796

By not reporting bird deaths as is their legal obligation they put the world at risk.

Regardless of what happens with the birds this farm should not be allowed to exist.

They put the world at risk how? They are not exporting ostrich meat and no other export meat is coming from there so how are they putting the world at risk? You are being overdramatic and ridiculous. Should we cull all birds because they might be putting the world at risk? The ostriches that did contract the disease got it from some ducks that landed in the watering hole. I guess we must exterminate all ducks because they threaten the entire world!!!

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You are being overdramatic and ridiculous.

Hilarious coming from you.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

They put the world at risk how? They are not exporting ostrich meat and no other export meat is coming from there so how are they putting the world at risk? You are being overdramatic and ridiculous. Should we cull all birds because they might be putting the world at risk? The ostriches that did contract the disease got it from some ducks that landed in the watering hole. I guess we must exterminate all ducks because they threaten the entire world!!!

I think you’re missing the point.

How many birds did the ostriches come into contact with in between the 69 deaths (when it should have been reported) and where we are currently? That is likely to be a significant spread of a disease that was completely preventable.

The concern isn’t the meat lol, it’s the spread through wild birds which we cannot control which could then have further ecological impacts.

[Codes]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

They put the world at risk how? They are not exporting ostrich meat and no other export meat is coming from there so how are they putting the world at risk? You are being overdramatic and ridiculous. Should we cull all birds because they might be putting the world at risk? The ostriches that did contract the disease got it from some ducks that landed in the watering hole. I guess we must exterminate all ducks because they threaten the entire world!!!

It's not about the ostriches - it is 100% about the animals that come into contact with the ostriches that can further spread the disease.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Codes

It's not about the ostriches - it is 100% about the animals that come into contact with the ostriches that can further spread the disease.

What animals?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

I think you’re missing the point.

How many birds did the ostriches come into contact with in between the 69 deaths (when it should have been reported) and where we are currently? That is likely to be a significant spread of a disease that was completely preventable.

The concern isn’t the meat lol, it’s the spread through wild birds which we cannot control which could then have further ecological impacts.

Ok, so why would you not test th remaining birds? If that's the case like I said it started with ducks so I guess you have to cull all ducks. Hell, really we need to do away with all birds, any of them could be a carrier. Actually Avian Flu can be carried by many animals, even people so I guess by your reasoning we should just nuke the planet.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What animals?

Wild birds like the ducks that infected them. Do you have any understanding on how bird flu is being spread and why stopping it within farms is important?

Their responsibility was to report the bird flu to CIFA. They failed. Why do you think that reporting requirement shouldn’t apply to that farm.

Weren’t you a fish and wildlife officer at one point? You should should understand why this is improtant.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, so why would you not test th remaining birds? If that's the case like I said it started with ducks so I guess you have to cull all ducks. Hell, really we need to do away with all birds, any of them could be a carrier. Actually Avian Flu can be carried by many animals, even people so I guess by your reasoning we should just nuke the planet.

You are moving goal posts now. The discussion is surrounding how they put the world at risk. This was done by not reporting and not immediately culling the birds that were infected in December of 24.

And yes when you find infected ducks you cull the population of ducks around them, when you find infected cows you cull herds of cows. When we find infected people we quarantine them and everyone they have been in contact with.

[Reggie28]

Originally Posted by Locke

In this day and age of high oil prices, excessive inflation, outrageous tariffs, the occasional pandemic/plague did we really need to start beef with the Ostriches too?

Ostrich tastes like beef.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GGG

You are moving goal posts now. The discussion is surrounding how they put the world at risk. This was done by not reporting and not immediately culling the birds that were infected in December of 24.

And yes when you find infected ducks you cull the population of ducks around them, when you find infected cows you cull herds of cows. When we find infected people we quarantine them and everyone they have been in contact with.

Ok, why was no local ducks culled? That never happened. Hey, want to explain again why the farm should not be allowed to test their birds?