QOTD: Does an unexpected 4 game road win streak wipe out hte 8 game losing streak?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flame19,289

Right. And the Flames have "given up" points to the Sharks & Kings over the last two games. Regulation wins would be preferable against the Western Conference.
At least most of the regulation losses during the 8-game streak were against Eastern Conference opponents.

The point give to the Sharks was worse given the game situation after 1 period. The point give to the Kings was OK for me since they were arguably outplayed and definitely behind.

[locsofblu]

Perhaps if by the smallest of chances we win tomorrow night in Anaheim that 8 game winless streak can be forgiven. Other ways no.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Imagine if they'd even gone .500 during that losing streak....

I voted no, 8 game losing streak and a 4 game win streak makes us 4-8. That kind of record doesn't come close to the playoffs.

No matter what happens from here on out, there will always be a "what if" regarding those 8 losses IMO.

[Bunk]

No. I'd say a six game streak would. At the outset of the 8 game losing streak, we were roughly 5 pts above the safe playoff pace (96 pts). At the end of it, we were 4 points down. A 6 game streak right now would put us above pace, erasing some of the damage of that losing streak.

We've turned into a streaky team.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by DoubleF

All aboard the emotional roller coaster! More ups and downs for men than a viewing of The Notebook.

I'm thinking we need 8 wins to neutralize the 8 losses for .500 hockey.

But beyond watching standings, almost every other aspect has been a treat to monitor.

Gaudreau, is that you?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Every team has rough stretches. Ours just happened to occur when the goaltending went sour. It affected literally everything else as the Flames tried to scramble even more in their own end to cover up more for the goalie, never sure of when a weak one was going in, destroying team confidence. When they had to collapse nearly constantly to help the goalie, they lost the ability to get out of their zone and spring a couple forwards in a transition attack, which has led to most of their offense this year. This isn't a team that can consistently grind out a cycle game and create consistent offensive pressure, just not enough size. So they rely on speed and defensemen joining the rush to create great opportunities. Without the ability to create speed in transition and have defensemen join the rush, they lost most of their offense. The defense wasn't terrible in that stretch (looking at shots against), just had to play from behind way too often, which forces them to become overly aggressive, leading to more odd man rushes the other way.

That is super interesting for me, thanks.

You never know what to assign the role of chicken and what to assign the role of egg.

The transition was dead, I thought it was a confidence issue, but you're right if you no longer trust your goaltender you can't streak your forwards so the outlet is gone.

Ortio is like the guy in the Dos Equis commercials so the team feeds off the swagger and now they're a counter team again.

Still don't see the Flames outplaying anyone, and that has to to stop, but they're doing more right now than they have in a while.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Well the obvious answer isn't here - not quite, but getting there

[Rollin22x]

On paper, the Flames do not have the best roster when compared to teams like LA or Chicago. Because of this, a losing skid has to be expected or at least very likely. We have a young team and they are learning as a team which involves ups and downs.
I don't expect to make the playoffs, I hope we do. If we do, I think we'll have a pretty chance at beating any team we face. These guys seem to love the clutch situations and rise to the occasion. I'm happy as Flames fans, nobody showed up at the rink wearing paper bags or tossing jerseys like other fans during shorter losing streaks.

We should treat the losing streak exactly like the players should - it happened and it's done, don't need to think about it ever again.

[Erick Estrada]

Crazy how a poor record vs the Eastern Conference could cost the Flames a playoff spot.

[Robbob]

It is getting there but not quite. I think they have a real good chance in righting the ship though.

If you go back to the 7 game segments breakdown, with 11 seven game segments you want to get at least 8 points in most of them. Just the 8 in each gets you to 88 points with 5 games remaining. So it really is important to grab 10 or 9 points in a few segments to make it easier on you in those final 5 games (if 95 is the target).

With that said the Flames have produced 8, 10, 10, 10, 1, and 8 points in the first 6 segments. They currently are sitting at 8 points with 3 games remaining in their current segment which will help only help if they get some points in the last three games. Still not much room for error as the team needs to win and bank a few extra points in the remaining four segments so they have a chance with the final 5 games in April.

[You Need a Thneed]

Roughly half wiped out now. Losing streaks are extra costly when some games give away three points.

To get back to where we were, the Flames likely need another similar hot stretch in short order. Win another four in a row, or win another five in a row after a loss or something like that.

[GranteedEV]

Not erased until I see the Flames in #2 in the division. We weren't fighting for a wildcard spot at that time.

[N-E-B]

I'm impressed they're still in a playoff spot despite the skid. I'm thinking that was the low point of the season though. Hopefully the long losing streaks are behind us.

[ForeverFlameFan]

We should be shooting for the #3 spot in the division, assuming Anaheim and Vancouver keep up their pace. Dallas and Colorado are starting to slowly win games, who knows if they can really turn it around and make a solid push. It'll be up to us to try and surpass the Sharks, and stay ahead of both SJ and LA for a long time, rather than just a few games.

I'd rather it be the Sharks, Kings, Jets, Avalanche and Stars (and maybe the Wild) fighting for WC spots as we comfortably sit in the #3 spot.

[heep223]

I still remain unconvinced that the Canucks are a playoff team and I think they'll end up on the outside looking in, to our benefit and jubilation.

[Fan in Exile]

"I voted no, 8 game losing streak and a 4 game win streak makes us 4-12. That kind of record doesn't come close to the playoffs."

Hmm, I think you might want to re-think your math there. In any event, of course the 8 game skid hurt. It's a blight on what has otherwise been a great season. But why just count this winning streak and the 8 game losing streak? That losing streak was sandwiched between two other winning streaks - so they went 8-8 over 16 games, then another 3-game losing streak and this four game winning streak.


The reason the current streak helps to make up for the skid is that they were on the road and 3 of the wins came against teams that we are battling with for our playoff spot...as well as coming after that 8-game losing streak that many expected would sap the confidence and momentum built up by this young and surprising team. The last three game streak was deeply concerning too because they played so poorly and really deserved those losses. Whether we ultimately make the playoffs or not, you have to really admire the resilience and mental make-up of this team. They're for real and they should only get better.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Fan in Exile

"I voted no, 8 game losing streak and a 4 game win streak makes us 4-12. That kind of record doesn't come close to the playoffs."

Hmm, I think you might want to re-think your math there. In any event, of course the 8 game skid hurt. It's a blight on what has otherwise been a great season. But why just count this winning streak and the 8 game losing streak? That losing streak was sandwiched between two other winning streaks - so they went 8-8 over 16 games, then another 3-game losing streak and this four game winning streak.


The reason the current streak helps to make up for the skid is that they were on the road and 3 of the wins came against teams that we are battling with for our playoff spot...as well as coming after that 8-game losing streak that many expected would sap the confidence and momentum built up by this young and surprising team. The last three game streak was deeply concerning too because they played so poorly and really deserved those losses. Whether we ultimately make the playoffs or not, you have to really admire the resilience and mental make-up of this team. They're for real and they should only get better.

Doesn't it make us 4-8?

[CSharp]

The answer to the posted question is, "Who cares?". What's done was done; they had a losing streak and it was part of the rebuilding process. Whatever streak they have now should mentally prepare them for another set of losing streaks. Mathematically, the 4 game winning streak doesn't even equate to how many points they didn't gain as a result of the 16 points lost. Although the Flames gained 8 points from this 4 game winning streak, they also allowed the opposing teams to gain at least 1 point each for any games they were able to tie up before the end of regulation. This is why I think if the Flames really want a good rebuild, they should consider actually going into a longer skid and place themselves better at the entry draft this June. Sure, it'll be exciting for about a week if they make the playoffs. But then they're likely to get knocked out of the first round because they don't have the size depth to carry them that very far.

With the way they're going, the Flames do have a more chances of not making into the playoffs and sitting at #9 or 10th spot. The Flames have seen this position lot's of times before. Instant success usually don't buy you much success long term. I'd rather see them tank right now and pick up a few good prospects during the summer to continue a good rebuild rather than trade off their prospects for rental players just to make the playoffs.

But unfortunately, I don't think Hartley will allow the Flames to tank this season.

[greentree]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Does this unexpected streak reduce the damage from the 8 game losing streak?

Yes, it reduces the damage. It does not reverse the damage. That eight-game losing streak hurt big time.

[FBI]

Let's just say if I had to choose between an 8 game losing streak in the middle of the season and an 8 game losing streak at the end of the season, I'd take the former.
Also if they win tomorrow, I will really start believing again.