[PGT] Flames lose 4-3 to Penguins

[djsFlames]

If Monahan wasn't going through the minor injury with his foot, then I would have liked to see him in the WJs. I thought differently before, that he should remain with the team. But it would've been exciting to see him lead team Canada and play in a tourney where he could really rack up some points and do what he didn't get an opportunity to last time and redeem himself a bit. Like Sven, his offense has dried up a bit, and a couple week excursion to gain a good experience and beat up on some of the other highly touted kids could've been fun to see. A little more fun than Hartley giving him enforcer minutes in some pretty meaningless interconference games. So you could say it's for selfish reasons.

[Roof-Daddy]

I'm happy for Byron.

Had a chance last year and broke his hand on his first couple shifts, was pretty much written off at that point by most anyone who hadn't already written him off.

Hopefully he can stay healthy and establish himself as a regular NHLer. Kid can play IMO.

[FlatLandFlamesFan]

This team is the most entertaining , hard working Flames team we've had in a long time !
First year of rebuild , me thinks we have 2-3 levels of this franchise rebuilt already.
knew it would be a ugly year in win/loses but I am enjoying it immensely

[djsFlames]

Strangely enough, I prefer Jones over Invisiguay.

Even though neither would bring much.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by browna

Pick your poison with D Jones. It was either him or useless-without-Iginla Tanguay for the same term and cap hit.

Well, Tanguay's cap hit is 500k less, which isn't insignificant.

Tanguay may not have been great, but nor did he have negative value like Jones currently does. At least he would have put up points.

Jones simply does nothing. Not crashing the net, has the worst hands on the team... his only asset is his shot, and hits confidence is too low to take advantage of it right now.

Tanguay>>>>>Jones.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

No, but if he's injured, he shouldn't be playing at all.

RNH's development was completely derailed by the Oilers forcing him back too soon after injury.

Hairline fracture in the foot is completely different than why rnh had going on.

Every team probably has a guy or two playing with something similar.

Probably has more too do with a little rust.

[nik-]

I felt that the Tanguay-Sarich/Jones-SOB trade was a push when it happened, but it's looking less and less good for us.

Tanguay definitely would have floated this year for us, but at least there'd be some glimpses of his playmaking. Jones looked good for about 4 games and has since been a disaster.

I hope they buy him out.

[Dion]

Strong effort by the Flames in the third to make it a close game.

Losing Glennie and Russell for an extended period of time will hurt.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Well, Tanguay's cap hit is 500k less, which isn't insignificant.

Tanguay may not have been great, but nor did he have negative value like Jones currently does. At least he would have put up points.

Jones simply does nothing. Not crashing the net, has the worst hands on the team... his only asset is his shot, and hits confidence is too low to take advantage of it right now.

Tanguay>>>>>Jones.

Tanguay would have been benched a lot for his half hearted effort and not playing in all 3 zones. A floater who didn't want to be here after Iggy was traded. Glad he's gone.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Dion

Tanguay would have been benched a lot for his half hearted effort and not playing in all 3 zones. A floater who didn't want to be here after Iggy was traded. Glad he's gone.

He didn't get benched last season and still played at a 55 point pace.

That alone is better than anything Jones has done this season. Pouting is no excuse to trade for one of the worst contracts in the league. Jones is an AHL/NHL tweener making $4M. Tanguay is an average NHLer making $3.5M.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Well, Tanguay's cap hit is 500k less, which isn't insignificant.

Tanguay may not have been great, but nor did he have negative value like Jones currently does. At least he would have put up points.

Jones simply does nothing. Not crashing the net, has the worst hands on the team... his only asset is his shot, and hits confidence is too low to take advantage of it right now.

Tanguay>>>>>Jones.

The difference between the two in salary is less than the absolute minimum you can pay an NHL player, so yes, it's insignificant.

Jones plays with significantly more effort than Tanguay, and while not currently productive, is still able to produce at a similar rate as Tanguay (sans Iginla). Add in the fact that he played with more gumption in the his pre-injury stretch than Tanguay EVER has, and the answer is obvious to any logic driven human being.

Jones>>>>>>Tanguay.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I'm still trying to figure out what David Jones brings to this team. He's not horrible or costing the team wins, but he's just............there. Wish he had one quality about him that would really help the team out.

I think D. Jones could be an overpaid but valuable member of the Flames if they put him on a grind line with, e.g., Bouma and Colborne, and gave the line orders to not worry about scoring, but to just go out, get the puck in deep, and create havoc. He's got decent speed, is solid on his skates, and is fairly gritty (he is currently leading the Flames in hits).

Unfortunately, he's continually put on a scoring line and the powerplay with the expectation to create offense, and, as you said, he's just not having success.

[lifetimefan]

More than anything, I would not want Tanguay's temperamental sulking and tendency to float influencing rookies and prospects during the rebuild.

I'm not much a fan of D.Jones either, but he's neutral roster filler for now, not great but not awful, and that's ok.

[neo45]

Tanguay had to go. The Flames had to take back salary to move him. That is why Jones is here

[KootenayFlamesFan]

They had to get rid of Tanguay, he didn't want to be with the Flames anymore. I have no problem with them shipping him out of town.

I don't have a hate-on for Jones or anything, I just find myself watching the games and forgetting that he's even on the team sometimes. Hopefully he can find some sort of niche with the club that will help out in the future. Maybe he just needs to pot a couple and get his confidence going offensively.

[Temporary_User]

Originally Posted by Rubber Ducky

Is Monahan really better suited for 14 shifts, 9:24 of ice time than to be at the World Jrs?

One of my friends did some quick math and Monahan would miss 8 NHL games being sent down for the WJC. Sent down for that long would equate him to losing out on around $75,000.

[neo45]

Jones must be one of the sloppiest skaters in the league. Every time he is in on the forecheck he looks like he is going to break his neck

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

One of my friends did some quick math and Monahan would miss 8 NHL games being sent down for the WJC. Sent down for that long would equate him to losing out on around $75,000.

A lot more potentially with bonuses he could end up missing out on.

[$ven27]

One of the few times I agree with Ashasx here. Jones brings nothing to this team, at least with Tanguay we'd get points from him and another trading option to bring more assets in. They traded their two biggest buyout candidates in Jones and O'Brien for Tanguay and Sarich, who are both playing well for the Avs (although tangs is currently injured), bad trade at the time, and still is. Although people will say that Tanguay sulked last year, which is irrelevant.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by $ven27

One of the few times I agree with Ashasx here.