Brexit- Update: Britain has voted to leave the EU

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Buzzard

Wow. I dont even know what to say about that. I mean, the word 'racist' is being thrown around a lot in this thread but....Are those Syrians being portrayed are stealing and murdering?

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Germany and France wanted to avoid the utter chaos of today, that's all, the UK has never ever joined the EU fully has always kept its foot out of the door, France has never really wanted the UK in either frankly, if, as is likely, the UK implodes and tries to get back in I doubt the EU would want to risk going through this chaos again in the future.
Like a divorce, once you've sold the house, divided the furniture and paid the lawyers if your now ex wife changes her mind no one in their right mind takes the idiot back.

The UK has kept it's foot out of the door because they've tried to remain a democracy. The EU is not based on democratic policies so it's easy to see why this decision was made. And honestly it seems like the EU has a higher chance of collapse than the UK does.

A lot of Germany is also up in arms about wanting to leave the EU. I recently visited Munich and there were hundreds of dairy farmers protesting on main streets with their tractors. It was a very large protest about how the regulated milk prices are too low to survive on. Local dairy farmers are going bankrupt after maintaining a living wage for generations.

France just hates the UK with a passion. France seems to hate everyone else to some extent though. I'd consider them the most intolerant Country in Europe. They even hate french Canadians.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Sure, but this is part of the problem. I have no idea how fringe or mainstream they are, because a bunch of non-bigots are inevtiably lumped in with them. I seriously have no idea what proportion of the 52% of voters are truly bigots. Is it half? A third? A tenth? No idea.

But I'm just talking about tactics at the moment - if you wanted to win, here, addressing the legitimate immigration-related concerns, rather than pretending that all such concerns are simply the product of bigotry and xenophobia, would probably have brought that 52% number down somewhat. Again, maybe I'm being optimistic about that, but that's my wager.

Well I mean the same could be said about Islamic extremism though when the anti-Islam folks ignore the socioeconomic elements of it and strictly pile-on the Islamic elements. I'm just saying it looks like cognitive dissonance to me.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Well I mean the same could be said about Islamic extremism though when the anti-Islam folks ignore the socioeconomic elements of it and strictly pile-on the Islamic elements. I'm just saying it looks like cognitive dissonance to me.

Eh, I guess there are some people who ignore the socioeconomic elements, but just speaking for me, it's really more of a question of multiple contributing causes of which religious ideology is a primary one, arguably the primary one, depending on which particular case we're talking about.

So I don't think those elements are ignored or dismissed, whereas here there's a whole lot of chalking the result up to white racists wondering "where my country gone". As I sarcastically said earlier, damn, the UK must be brimming with racists.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Locke

Wow. I dont even know what to say about that. I mean, the word 'racist' is being thrown around a lot in this thread but....Are those Syrians being portrayed are stealing and murdering?

Also, trying to molest the mermaid at the front of the boat.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Eh, I guess there are some people who ignore the socioeconomic elements, but just speaking for me, it's really more of a question of multiple contributing causes of which religious ideology is a primary one, arguably the primary one, depending on which particular case we're talking about.

So I don't think those elements are ignored or dismissed, whereas here there's a whole lot of chalking the result up to white racists wondering "where my country gone". As I sarcastically said earlier, damn, the UK must be brimming with racists.

Have you ever spent any time there? It's not exactly lacking them.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Also, trying to molest the mermaid at the front of the boat.

Was this released in an actual publication?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Have you ever spent any time there? It's not exactly lacking them.

A fair bit. My mom retired there. And yeah, there have their fair share, but it ain't 52% of the voting public or anything close to.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Wait, we're talking about the country that has codified class delineation still?

Speaking of class:

Britain is in the midst of a working-class revolt

Across the nation this past week I’ve heard the same refrain: ‘No one listens to us, no one cares.’ Now those ignored for so long are demanding a voice

Anyone who wants to understand what's happening in the UK (and in different manifestations across Europe and the U.S.) instead of simply chalking it up to bigotry should read these articles by John Harris.

The UK is now two nations, staring across a political chasm

Leave voters aren’t lemmings jumping off a cliff, and the left urgently needs to understand their choices

'If you've got money, you vote in ... if you haven't got money, you vote out'

Brexit is about more than the EU: it’s about class, inequality, and voters feeling excluded from politics. So how do we even begin to put Britain the right way up?

And btw, Harris is a leftist Labour supporter who writes for the Guardian.

TLDR: The political establishment, including the left (maybe especially the left), have turned their back on the working class.

[Blaster86]

THE BRITISH ARE COMING! THE BRITISH ARE COMING!

Maybe they will get here, see all the Irish and just leave...

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Have you ever spent any time there? It's not exactly lacking them.

No more than Canada or any other country on this planet.

You were so sympathetic to Indigenous rights earlier, not sure why those don't apply to Native Britons.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

A fair bit. My mom retired there. And yeah, there have their fair share, but it ain't 52% of the voting public or anything close to.

Right, but I'd say being openly racist isn't exactly taboo there. I don't know. Sometimes I wonder if I just look racist or something and racists feel more comfortable saying racist #### around me, because I seem to encounter a lot of racists. I'm not even talking like "that sounds kinda racist" racists but actual blatant racism.

[CliffFletcher]

nvm

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Locke

Was this released in an actual publication?

I mentioned it earlier in the thread but apparently it was tweeted out by the Leave.eu campaign.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...isemitism-1945

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Locke

Wow. I dont even know what to say about that. I mean, the word 'racist' is being thrown around a lot in this thread but....Are those Syrians being portrayed are stealing and murdering?

I love that he actually labelled the waves as "waves of immigration." Dude clearly has a knack for subtlety.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Speaking of class:

TLDR: The political establishment, including the left (maybe especially the left), have turned their back on the working class.

Same thing has happened to the left in the US. The political left has abandoned the working masses to pander to the rich and corporations. There is a revolt brewing there as well that's already begun.

[peter12]

How can anyone act like the mass immigration initiated by the Merkel government hasn't had a profoundly traumatic cultural effect across Europe? It is blithe ignorance.

[Buzzard]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Holey moley someone posted a Ben Garrison cartoon in earnest. Enjoy supporting a holocaust denier i guess.

The image was a response (somewhat in jest) to everyone's differing opinion as to why the Brits are out.

It's certainly not an endorsement of a holocaust denier, which has been debunked as internet smear anyway.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Same thing has happened to the left in the US. The political left has abandoned the working masses to pander to the rich and corporations. There is a revolt brewing there as well that's already begun.

Is that actually accurate? Seems like the split between the working class and the elitist left has largely been over the working class' social conservatism.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Some very disgusting posts in this thread. I assume none of you know anything about this other then what John Oliver told you?

The majority of the UK is NOT in fact racist. This is supposed to help them financially in the long term. They will have more independence with their economy and won't have to fork over millions of pounds just to be part of the EU. Money is always the biggest deciding factor and this was no different.

Oh and if it does turn out to royally suck for the UK, they can always go back...

The amount of ignorance in this thread is astounding.

I've lived/studied in Brussels and attended EU government institutions on exchange.

The flow of money, goods, and access to markets is not a one-way street from London to Brussels. "This is SUPPOSED to help them" is the most accurate statement from the above. In reality, this is going to pound the pound and bring down markets and create instability for a good period. The increased trade and travel barriers will restrict the flow of goods, labor, and knowledge. The increased borders and bureaucracy will increase tensions. The economic benefits touted by the exit campaign were largely skewed and can be interpreted as very misleading.

And no, they cannot simply go back. The UK needs to re-apply for the accession process from a position of weakness in which the other member states need not acquiesce to any of their demands. They have have given up all rebates and all exemptions (Schengen, monetary union) and will have to negotiate from a disadvantage if they need to crawl back.

Furthermore, based on the voting maps, Scotland and Northern Ireland have a very good reason to re-initiate referendums on their independence as well. Much of the Scottish independence vote was predicated on promises of remaining in the EU. Scotland overwhelmingly voted to stay in the EU in the Brexit vote whereas England (save for London and other metropolitan areas) voted to leave.