Pat Tillman's Brother rips the neo-cons a new one

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Sowa

Good reply comparing the other poster's to babies really proves they're wrong. I am not in the 9/11 conspiracy wing, but I don't think it is deniable that Bush and those in power now have made our constitution their toilet paper.

You're American?

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Bingo

For a guy telling me exactly what I have to do before I can do something you sure are running from the permission word.

only in a response to a post that said 'group of people'.

go ahead and get that last word in, i've made my points.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by IginlasEnforcer

I just want to point out that Pat wanted to go to war.....And too a degree I feel that his brother is having a hard time dealing with his death and this is a lot of sour apples.

Thats not to say he is not right because, he is...It's just a shame they could not figure this out before they ran off to fight.

Might it be that they wanted to fight the people responsible for the atrocities committed on September 11, but then found their country in a far more costly war that was completely unrelated? Might it be that the very consititution they swore to defend has been violated by their Commander-in-Chief and his administration?

I'm pretty sure they signed up to be soldiers in defense of freedom and democracy, not agents of a regime that tortures suspects in secret prisons. I don't think their government's suspension of habaes corpus was something they had in mind when they enlisted.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Lanny_MacDonald

Living in the past I see. Explains a lot.



You mean like "I can't even read my own site any more ..." ???

The nominations for best actor in a supporting role in a melodrama are... oh look, your name makes the list too.



I knw what you mean. Its tough when the horse you've been riding comes up some lame. The fact that you have to sit there and read all the stuff that you were so sure wasn't true, unfolding infront of your eyes. It must be really hard to take.





Yet you're a big supporter and view of FauxNews. Wow.



You know, I was actually cutting you a lot of slack and just repeating what you had said in the past. I respect the fact that you spend so much time with your kids and make them your priority. Good on you. That usually means (and you've admitted it yourself) that you don't have the time nor energy to do the proper research. That is an honest out and I was giving it to you. But if you think its a slight, oh well, your problem, not mine. I think your an intelligent fellow that is like so many and wrappe up in their own lives and having little time or interest in the events that shape our society. Everyone has priorities and pursuits to chose from and expend their energies.

I don't have time to seek out every study that fits my theory, nor the time to find every study that goes counter.

I'll give you that.

But that's a far cry from not paying attention to what's going on and having my head in the sand.

I honestly wasn't trying to be a drama queen ... Hitler and Nazi comments just seem so over the top to me I can't stand it. These topics should be in debate without the over the top terminology that just polarized things to the point of paralysis. You'll notice I don't choose words like communist, or bleeding heart, or socialist when I disagree with something from the left because all it ever does is inflame. No fun in that.

[White Doors]

You know, I was actually cutting you a lot of slack and just repeating what you had said in the past. I respect the fact that you spend so much time with your kids and make them your priority. Good on you. That usually means (and you've admitted it yourself) that you don't have the time nor energy to do the proper research. That is an honest out and I was giving it to you. But if you think its a slight, oh well, your problem, not mine. I think your an intelligent fellow that is like so many and wrappe up in their own lives and having little time or interest in the events that shape our society. Everyone has priorities and pursuits to chose from and expend their energies.

This from a guy who takes a DR of philosophy version of what happened on 9/11 - yet entirely dismisses the bibliography of the Popular mechanics book on debunking 9/11 myths. They had experts from every discipline explain what happened. Lanny prefers to choose a Philosophy professor and then has the gonads to claim that because we don't believe him it's because we haven't done our research.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Looger

only in a response to a post that said 'group of people'.

go ahead and get that last word in, i've made my points.

Always kills me when someone responds to someone, essentially getting the last word and telling the other they need to have it. Great little tactic to actually get the last word while daring the other guy to defy your line in the sand and take it themselves.

I don't recall you jumping in all that much when I was yanked around for three weeks or so a while back.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I don't have time to seek out every study that fits my theory, nor the time to find every study that goes counter.

I'll give you that.

But that's a far cry from not paying attention to what's going on and having my head in the sand.

I honestly wasn't trying to be a drama queen ... Hitler and Nazi comments just seem so over the top to me I can't stand it. These topics should be in debate without the over the top terminology that just polarized things to the point of paralysis. You'll notice I don't choose words like communist, or bleeding heart, or socialist when I disagree with something from the left because all it ever does is inflame. No fun in that.

I know Bingo, I was just rattling your chain. I've always said you're an intelligent fellow, have I not? Don't get too riled over this. Most people don't indepth into these issues like some.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Always kills me when someone responds to someone, essentially getting the last word and telling the other they need to have it. Great little tactic to actually get the last word while daring the other guy to defy your line in the sand and take it themselves.

I don't recall you jumping in all that much when I was yanked around for three weeks or so a while back.

You are just toooooo nice Bingo...maybe you should run for Mayor of Calgary? Should we start the campaign? Seriously...I usually spit out Loogers.

[Flashpoint]

I can't say I disagree with anything Tillman says here. The horrible horrible part is that it was all perfectly clear it was going to occur three years ago. The nightmare scenerio has unfolded exactly as a worst case scenerio.

There were no WMD's, and no connection to 9/11.

Afghanistan is now a backwater falling into herion production and will return to the warlords as soon as the western powers leave. The opportunity to save a failed state was wasted because Bush wanted to spin 9/11 into an excuse for taking out Saddam.

There was no exit strategy for Iraq, and it has become the Vietnam replay we all feared.

Iran and North Korea were ignored and now have nuclear weapons thanks to the staunch US ally Pakistan.

As to the future?

The US will eventually cut their losses and leave Iraq. Iran will immediately begin attempting to convert segments of Iraq to an islamic state (don't forget Iraq was secular under Saddam - not a good place by any means, but not a religous fanatic either).

Civil war will ensue between Shi-ites (profanity filter activates when I spell it correctly) and Sunnis as various entites declare autonomy.

Just wait a few years till the Kurds declare independance and Turkey invades northern Iraq (Kurdistan). You'll just love it.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Iran and North Korea were ignored and now have nuclear weapons thanks to the staunch US ally Pakistan.

if there was any evidence at all that iran had a nuclear program whatsoever, israel would long ago have struck.

iran complies with the IAEA inspections IN FULL.

the current dispute is over iran's dumping of a VOLUNTARY framework in which it pledged to not enrich uranium if it had support from others to do so.

said, PROMISED support never materialized, so they went ahead and did it themselves.

why isn't brazil in trouble? they are at exactly the same stage.

the reason iran is brazen and makes bold statements is because they are constantly threatened by the western leaders, and they are being told what to do.

go tell a bunch of religious nuts what they can and can't do, and flatly refuse to negotiate with them one-on-one.

oh, uh, depose their government once in a while, and shoot down civilian airliners here and there to let them know you mean business. also, invade countries to their east and west for oil interests.

that'll work, they'll back down right away!

this is a total load, all of it.

[White Doors]

Nk has had Nukes for a while now.
You think Iran with nukes is a good thing?

[Looger]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Nk has had Nukes for a while now.
You think Iran with nukes is a good thing?

what the hell is wrong with you?

this is seriously embarrassing.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Looger

what the hell is wrong with you?

this is seriously embarrassing.

Why can't you answer the question, or at least tell me what you THINK is wrong with me?

[Looger]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Why can't you answer the question, or at least tell me what you THINK is wrong with me?

you're trying your bill o'reilly framed debate again.

FIRST OF ALL:

i was talking aboot iran, NOT north korea. yes, NK has nukes. didn't deny that.

next, NOWHERE did i say iran with nukes is a good thing.

you're pulling crap out if your ass and calling it mine,

better ask your boyfriend, he's the only one who's been in your ass recently.

[White Doors]

now I'm gay?
Ok then... You DID see the question mark at the end on my QUESTION did you not?

[White Doors]

And you still didn't answer my question.

[Looger]

Originally Posted by White Doors

now I'm gay?
Ok then... You DID see the question mark at the end on my QUESTION did you not?

come on, White Doors. you know how this works.

you say that iran shouldn't have nukes, and if anyone disagrees with you on anything else, that logically means they think that iran should have nukes.

i've seen your act so many times i'm totally sick of it.

i think i hear your mom calling.

[White Doors]

I'm not sure why you don't just answer the question?

[Looger]

Originally Posted by White Doors

I'm not sure why you don't just answer the question?

because you're a stupid troll.

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