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Old 09-10-2018, 12:17 AM   #21
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Old 09-10-2018, 12:29 AM   #22
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Suzuki alone is worth more than 1 year of Pacioretty.

I guess Tatar has negative value?

This reminds of of the Filip Forsberg for Martin Erat trade.
How did that work out for McPhee?
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Old 09-10-2018, 12:34 AM   #23
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McPhee is bad at trading
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Old 09-10-2018, 12:40 AM   #24
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Hard to predict how this one will turn out. I like the deal for the Habs because it seemed unlikely they would re-sign him.

But Vegas is also under pressure to stay competitive and lost Neal. Pacioretty could be a larger contributor if he stays healthy. The trade makes sense for both sides I think.
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Old 09-10-2018, 12:47 AM   #25
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McPhee gave up too much unless they already agreed on an extension, Suzuki is as dynamic as they come, nobody in the OHL lead his team in scoring like he did. I suspect Tatar isn't as bad as he was last year either.

This trade smells like McPhee's Forsberg trade.
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Old 09-10-2018, 12:48 AM   #26
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Wow Montreal is going to be bad. 29th in scoring last year and then traded away Galchenyuk and Pacioretty. Who is going to score on that team?

Bergevin has run that team into the ground.
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Old 09-10-2018, 01:54 AM   #27
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Ha, yeah. He is a crap GM

One year in the league with his team and only a final to show for it
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Old 09-10-2018, 02:53 AM   #28
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Ha, yeah. He is a crap GM

One year in the league with his team and only a final to show for it
Even a one eyed squirrel can find a nut, Vegas was a nice story in his first year, very similar as his first year in Washington as they made the finals but he was a whole lot of bad for the next 15 years.

Serious question? Has he ever won a trade?
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Old 09-10-2018, 04:38 AM   #29
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So McPhee turns 2 x firsts (including a high first) and 3 x seconds - pretty much all the picks he gained from all the wheeling and dealing around the expansion draft - into a year of a 29 year old Pacioretty. That's embarassing.
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Old 09-10-2018, 05:09 AM   #30
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Down year for Pacioretty last year, but even with it since the last lockout he's been one of the most consistent goal scorer in the league. Top 10 behind only:
Ovechkin
Seguin
Tavares
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Kane
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Between 2012-2017 he was top 5:
Ovechkin - 219
Pavelski - 161
Kane - 159
Crosby - 159
Pacioretty - 156

Somehow, despite being on the Candiens, I think he's really an underrated player. He's still on the right side of 30 (for a couple months) and if he bounces back this could look like a really lopsided trade by the Knights. I don't know why people think the Candiens got the better end of this deal.

Suzuki is a strong prospect, but Tatar was a healthy scratch during the Knight's playoff run and a 2nd round pick is peanuts compared to a UFA player like Pacioretty.
I agree with all this with the caveat that Pacioretty needs to re-sign with the Knights for them to get the better value in this trade. Otherwise, that's a lot to give up for 1 year of a player. The impending UFA status of Pacioretty is likely why many think the Canadiens got the better end of the deal.
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Old 09-10-2018, 05:42 AM   #31
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IMO the Canadiens wouldn't have traded him if he was going to re-sign with them.
So the value they got for 1 year is amazing and this is not getting worse even if he extends with VGK because that does not imply that he would have signed an extension with Montreal.
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Old 09-10-2018, 06:06 AM   #32
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Meh... I'm not even going to comment on the trade values, but boo....

Vegas greatly improved their scoring this season.
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Old 09-10-2018, 06:14 AM   #33
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This is good return for Montreal IMO.

Tatar was bad post trade but is a 20-25 goal guy in his own right.

Suzuki has been tearing up the OHL and ranked 30th in the Athletics top 50 prospects. (More value than getting a 1sr for 2019 from Vegas for sure).

2nds always carry some value.

Reminds me a bit of the Duchene trade - Ottawa paid a ton to upgrade Turris to Duchene, Vegas paid a ton to upgrade Tatar to Pacioretty.

Also makes no sense since they were supposedly hesitant to move their top prospects (Glass/Suzuki) for Karlsson.

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Old 09-10-2018, 06:39 AM   #34
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James Neal outscores Pacioretty this year. Book it.
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Old 09-10-2018, 06:49 AM   #35
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Both sides retained some salary:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1039118162963251200

https://twitter.com/user/status/1039119608899203073
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Based on where they were last season, and where they should be after now trading away several of their best players (patches, galchenyuk) I wonder if the Habs might be low-key trying to move Price next?
They don't look like they're going to be competitive for a few years, and while Price will still be under contract, he'll be 34-35 years old.
I wonder if they could actually get any value for him though, considering his cap hit and NMC.
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Old 09-10-2018, 07:08 AM   #37
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I think both teams got weaker by making this deal. I honestly don't see a winner and only see a couple of losers. Still trying to figure out why either team would make this deal?
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Old 09-10-2018, 07:12 AM   #38
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I think both teams got weaker by making this deal. I honestly don't see a winner and only see a couple of losers. Still trying to figure out why either team would make this deal?

The Habs were going to lose Patches to free agency and this is the best they thought they could do.

The Knights trying to replace Neal’s scoring and leadership.
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Old 09-10-2018, 07:17 AM   #39
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this this is one of the times it's a good deal for both teams.
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this is interesting. Agent has been adamant in denying this.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1039139121200070656
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