[News] Flames GM Treliving excited, eager for stretch run

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Feaster did a lot.

Bring in Hartley.
Expanding and improving the scouting (he even hired an outside firm to help with the analytics & decision making)
Trading Bouwmeester's contract
Signing Wideman & Hudler & Ramo
Keeping Giordano, Backlund, Brodie, Stajan around
Trading for Russell

None of those things are "drafting".

He botched this deal just like he did the Regehr and Iginla deals.

[Henry Fool]

Seriously, the O'Reilly fiasco alone prevents me from saying anything positive about the man.

Do you enjoy having Monahan on the team? How much does he mean for the rebuild?

[nik-]

It would have been a disaster on the day it happened. With hindsight at the player selected, it would have been an epic disaster.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Awesome. Another Feaster thread. Maybe you guys can weigh in on the Jankowski pick as well?

Why don't you stay out of threads you don't like

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Jay Feaster was a bad GM who bungled his way into building a decent team thanks to the great work of our scouting and our coaching staff at the NHL and AHL levels.

Regardless of his mistakes at time, he definitely go the ball rolling in the team rebuild in the right direction by:

1) Not renewing Sutter to a new contract
2) Hiring Hartley and the rest of the new coaching staff
3) Listening to his scouting staff on some of the picks (like Gaudreau)

If the other have of the Sutter was still here, I don't think Gaudreau or Russell would even be considered. Aside from picking Baertschi in the first round (which is likely not based on his decision alone), I think he's done a fairly good job of getting rid of some huge contracts along the way and getting back the necessary draft picks for the future. If the Flames wanted a scapegoat GM, Feaster was the best GM they got at the time for setting the rebuild in motion. Now, Treliving is just reaping the reward.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Credit Feaster for beginning the rebuild, and credit Treliving for staying the course.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by Dion

Why don't you stay out of threads you don't like

Why don't you ignore posts you don't like?

I liked the thread and found the article interesting... and then it turned into one of the most played out, tired topics on this forum for no reason.

There was no reason for this thread to become another massive argument about Jay Fester. There's nothing wrong with pointing that out, as it's completely off topic.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Hackey

He botched this deal just like he did the Regehr and Iginla deals.

How so?

We clear away a ton of cap space (and actual salary) and get Emile Poirier. Doesn't sound bad to me.
Likewise, the Regehr trade got us Byron, who has been very effective in kickstarting the Flames' culture change, even if he's been snakebitten this year.

The Iginla trade doesn't look as good but it was never in Feaster's hands.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

How so?

We clear away a ton of cap space (and actual salary) and get Emile Poirier. Doesn't sound bad to me.
Likewise, the Regehr trade got us Byron, who has been very effective in kickstarting the Flames' culture change, even if he's been snakebitten this year.

The Iginla trade doesn't look as good but it was never in Feaster's hands.

JBow was worth more than a 1st round pick when we traded him. Could have gotten a lot if they ate some salary but Feaster said he wanted cap space for the summer.

Won't blame him for Iggy deal. To many moving parts.

Tanguay trade was bad also.

[jiginla12]

Jesus, post some positive news about the team getting some exposure from mainstream media and consequently the thread becomes a redundant argument in Feaster vs. Treliving.

[RedMileDJ]

nm

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

JBow was worth more than a 1st round pick when we traded him. Could have gotten a lot if they ate some salary but Feaster said he wanted cap space for the summer.

Was he though? He's a #2 defenseman who had a reputation as never making the playoffs in his career and his numbers as a Flame were pretty poor even with the twenty or so games under Hartley. I believe also that he was a UFA that offseason and needed to be extended. A 1st is a lot to pay for that already. We did also get Cundari back and while I know most aren't very high on him, he's certainly a player who could find an NHL niche in my opinion.

Tanguay trade was bad also.

Jones had a rough first year with us. But his production this season has been worth his contract and his contract has helped keep us near the cap floor while rebuilding. I wish we got more but I'm not bitter about the return.. Tanguay needed to go.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Was he though? He's a #2 defenseman who had a reputation as never making the playoffs in his career and his numbers as a Flame were pretty poor even with the twenty or so games under Hartley. I believe also that he was a UFA that offseason and needed to be extended. A 1st is a lot to pay for that already. We did also get Cundari back and while I know most aren't very high on him, he's certainly a player who could find an NHL niche in my opinion.



Jones had a rough first year with us. But his production this season has been worth his contract and his contract has helped keep us near the cap floor while rebuilding. I wish we got more but I'm not bitter about the return.. Tanguay needed to go.

Nope, Bouwmeester still had a year on his deal. It was a pretty bad trade value wise considering what top 4 dmen typically get traded for.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Nope, Bouwmeester still had a year on his deal. It was a pretty bad trade value wise considering what top 4 dmen typically get traded for.

Regardless, JBo's cap hit & salary were not desirable assets. I'd say Emile Poirier is a perfectly fine return.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Regardless, JBo's cap hit & salary were not desirable assets. I'd say Emile Poirier is a perfectly fine return.

Jbo made team Canada he obviously he had some skill. His time in Calgary wasn't great but he had a big bounce back year the year he was traded. A top pairing dman definitely has value. Especially when he still has a year remaining. Bob Mckenzie reported that Detroit offered us Nyquist and Tatar and Jay turned it down. Further evidence that Jay doesn't have a clue when it comes to valuing players. Could you imagine this team right now with Tatar and Nyquist? At minimum that would give us some very quality trade pieces and would have really pushed this rebuild forward. A late 1st was terrible value. Antoine Vermette as a rental just landed a 1st. Andrej Sekera just landed a 1st and a good prospect (2014 2nd).

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Regardless, JBo's cap hit & salary were not desirable assets. I'd say Emile Poirier is a perfectly fine return.

Yeah you'reway off here. Feaster could have traded Bouwmeester for Tatar, Nyquist and a 2nd apparently. Also if he ate 50% of thst contract Bouw would have way more value. He got a protected 1st (would have been 2014 if the Blues missed the playoffs) and 2 terrible prospects. Burke somehow turned an AHL goalie into a 2nd.

JBo played great under Hartley and made team Canada the following year. Trading a 29 year old 6'4 minute munching D we got hosed.

Stealing Russell from the Blues helped make up for it though

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Yeah you'reway off here. Feaster could have traded Bouwmeester for Tatar, Nyquist and a 2nd apparently. Also if he ate 50% of thst contract Bouw would have way more value. He got a protected 1st (would have been 2014 if the Blues missed the playoffs) and 2 terrible prospects. Burke somehow turned an AHL goalie into a 2nd.

JBo played great under Hartley and made team Canada the following year. Trading a 29 year old 6'4 minute munching D we got hosed.

Stealing Russell from the Blues helped make up for it though

I don't think the Bouwmeester deal is great - but where did we ever see confirmation or even a reputable rumor that it was Tatar, Nyquist and a 2nd.

Here is the original tweet from McKenzie:
McKenzie "I've heard that the Flames could have had Nyquist and Tatar for Bouwmeester or another player but chose not to"

Now after that there was all sorts of additional rumors about that it wasn't Bouwmeester, but rather Iginla. Or that it was one of those guys + a 2nd.

Which still would have been good.

But let's not state stuff as fact that isn't known to be fact.

And for all we know Feaster wanted to retain salary but ownership wouldn't let him. Again - we don't know.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Feaster did a lot.

Bring in Hartley.
Expanding and improving the scouting (he even hired an outside firm to help with the analytics & decision making)
Trading Bouwmeester's contract
Signing Wideman & Hudler & Ramo
Keeping Giordano, Backlund, Brodie, Stajan around
Trading for Russell

None of those things are "drafting".

Tons of teams wanted him, he didn't even wait until the deadline when the guy had another year on his deal. Then he has the nerve to say "cap space was an asset in the return" cap space that was never spent

Jaybo was on team Canada the next season!

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Regardless, JBo's cap hit & salary were not desirable assets. I'd say Emile Poirier is a perfectly fine return.

WRONG, considering a first rounder was offered days before the deadline obviously he was

Flames had Iginla and Jaybo at the deadline and don't have an NHL player in the lineup from either deal yet

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I don't think the Bouwmeester deal is great - but where did we ever see confirmation or even a reputable rumor that it was Tatar, Nyquist and a 2nd.

Here is the original tweet from McKenzie:
McKenzie "I've heard that the Flames could have had Nyquist and Tatar for Bouwmeester or another player but chose not to"
.

But let's not state stuff as fact that isn't known to be fact.

And for all we know Feaster wanted to retain salary but ownership wouldn't let him. Again - we don't know.

I did say apparently after stating the deal so not stating it as fact.

Burke has stated that ownership has no problem retaining salary so I doubt buy that ownership wouldn't let him thought.

It was a bad deal. Feaster valued the first round pick over more proven prospects (not necessarily a bad move but in hindsight the rumored prospects are very good players). Feaster also valued the extra cap space over retaining salary. He misjudged the cap space value.