Israeli Defence Minister Yoav Gallant on Monday ordered a "complete siege" on Gaza, saying authorities would cut electricity and block the entry of food and fuel
At the same time, Infrastructure Minister Israel Katz said he has ordered an immediate cutoff of Israel's water supplies to Hamas-run Gaza
When at war, you don't provide electricity, food and water to your enemy, do you?
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This I'll concede on because I miss spoke.
Your examples would make them primarily Russian,German or Polish ethnicity. But yes as you agreed mainly white.
They have Jewish, not Russian/German/Polish blood and are of Jewish, not Russian descent.
When at war, you don't provide electricity, food and water to your enemy, do you?
They did barely before. They aren't some independent country that could provide basic needs isreal has been restricting everything that goes in and out for decades
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They did, and then Hamas went on to kill hundreds of Israelis. As well, as dozens of citizens of other countries, such as Thai, who have nothing to do with Palestine. If your point is that Israel never provided Gaza with enough food, water and electricity... What makes you think they had to? Was there some kind of contract for electricity that Israel didn't honor? Is it obligation of one country to provide food to another country? Gaza's government stated goal is to destroy Israel, and Gazans voluntary elected that government. Hamas actually won the elections on promise to fight Israel. And then Gazans promptly went to complain that Israel is not giving them enough electricity.
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they did, and then hamas went on to kill hundreds of israelis. As well, as dozens of citizens of other countries, such as thai, who have nothing to do with palestine. If your point is that israel never provided gaza with enough food, water and electricity... What makes you think they had to? Was there some kind of contract for electricity that israel didn't honor? Is it obligation of one country to provide food to another country? Gaza's government stated goal is to destroy israel, and gazans voluntary elected that government. Hamas actually won the elections on promise to fight israel. And then gazans promptly went to complain that israel is not giving them enough electricity.
Well your on a western Canadian forum, states your in Moscow....yet its my mindset.....
Are you not trying to do the same ? I provided historical facts . I'm confused ��
Much like with any other debate, I am mostly trying to improve my own understanding of the matter, understand other points of view, learn more facts by both reading others and googling to prove my points. Since I am in Israel for a year, and I work with Israelis, who are here for their whole life, I want to get a better handle of such a hot matter and become more familiar with history of a region which housed me as left Putin's Russia. I definitely don't argue for the purpose of making somebody look stupid.
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1. Palestine's original name is Judea, which literally means "land of Jews". It was renamed from Judea to Palestinie by Romans after a failed revolt of Jews, so no trace of Jews would remain there.
2. Jews were by far the most populous nation in the area until 136 CE. Then Jews were genocided by Romans (although admittedly it was common practice of that time) and mostly had to leave for Europe.
As per Roman sources, massacre of Jews resulted in Judea becoming desolated, which indicates that there were no other nations living there:
580,000 men were slain in the various raids and battles, and the number of those that perished by famine, disease, and fire was past finding out. [...] nearly the whole of Judea was made desolate. (Dio, 69:14.1-2)
Jerusalem was completely destroyed and the Jewish nation was massacred in large groups at a time, with the result that they were even expelled from the borders of Judaea. (Jerome, Commentary on Daniel, Chapter 9)
The Jewish sources are far more explicit, with tales of Roman soldiers smashing babies against rocks and the mass slaughter of civilians. While clearly somewhat apocryphal, these stories appear to reflect the reality of an extremely brutal campaign of what in modern terms would likely be called ethnic cleansing
I'm having a hard time trying to find a point in all of your embarrassing middle-of-the-night posts. But I can confirm I had the same issue when trying to update my profile at one point. I haven't tried since. The fact that you are being so argumentative even about such a nothing point is telling. And then accusing him of being KGB? Did your whole diatribe possibly belong in the drunkpuck thread? I hope that's the explanation.
I'd say that generally speaking, anyone who sees a 'good guy' or a 'bad guy' in this overall conflict is swallowing their teams propaganda hook-line-and sinker. The formation of modern-day Israel displaced many Arabs from the area. Furthermore, the modern-day "manifest destiny" of many ultra-religious Jews (mostly American and Russian) played out in the "settlements" is clearly an antagonizing move and certainly does not scream "we just want to live in peace". Among the "settlers" there is a strong anti-Arab sentiment which, at it's core, is just plain old ignorant racism. I met a Settler a couple years ago and she was an ignorant, repugnant racist and I told her as much. I think the Settlements are a crime and the people that support it and actually live in the West Bank are criminals.
However, when Jews started to displace Arabs in the region (in modern times) it was because they needed a home that they could defend after centuries of disposition, pogroms, violence and genocide in every place they tried to peacefully live. Israel's neighbors (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, etc.) immediately jumped on the opportunity to 'rile up the base' and invaded Israel not once, not twice but three times. Rather than offering a home to what are now the Palestinians, nations like Jordan used those people as political pawns and perma-refugees in order to maintain more power and control back home (if you're a tyrannical ruler there's nothing like a common enemy to distract a local oppressed population from targeting their anger at you).
So, fast-forward a few years and Israel is an established state even though it was founded on land that was taken from other 100 years ago. Similarly, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Cuba, and almost all of the New World was taken from their previous inhabitants, often in a much more violent and bloody way than the Arabs were displaced from modern-day Israel. It doesn't make it right but that's how it is now. We can't go back in time and change it unless you displace even more people from their homes which just continues the ongoing cycle (which is already a seemingly endless loop). If one or all of the Indigenous tribes of Alberta or B.C. attacked a music festival, school, hospital, bus, daycare, building, etc. in the name of taking back their land, I don't think too many of us would be sympathetic to their cause even though the manner in which they were displaced and some still kept in quasi-apartheid-like conditions is disgusting.
The fact that Gaza democratically elected a government who clearly stated purpose is to destroy Israel and kill Jews is enough, in my opinion, to keep them well and truly cut off from Israel as much as possible. This terrorist action by Hamas isn't a bug, it's a feature of their beliefs. They would do this all-day, everyday if they had the opportunity.
There is no justification for kidnapping, torturing and murdering civilians no matter who had what land when. The members of Hamas that did this are sick and twisted. Anyone who justifies their actions are only a step or two away (at most) from sick and twisted.
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Judaism is a religion how can you be Jewish and not follow the tenants?
How could you be Jewish before the religion was formed?
Arab is not a religion. You stated Arab wasn't a thing before the Muslim religion came about. Being Arab isn't about being Muslim.
So technically shouldn't non practicing jews be called the Yiddish like how Arabs are call that due to it being referenced from the language they speak?
Also regarding the Roman's. Are you talking about the Roman CATHOLIC scriptures? No religious bearings in those texts what so ever.
Also didn't you come out as in favour of Ukraines invasion as well?
This is probably the most historically ignorant post I’ve ever read on CP.
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Who enjoyed it ? Who? Name names if you think that.
No one here expressed enjoyment here . Your reaching.
No one enjoyed it.
No one?
There's Celebrations for the attacks going on throughout the world, including in Canada. If its happening in Toronto, you can bet there's at least a few here enjoying it in Calgary.
Celebrations in Iran (10:10)
Celebrations in London (Skip to 1:30)
Celebrations in Toronto (Skip to 1:55).
Wall Street Journal dropped a story today that says that Iran helped plan and finance this attack and approval was given in a meeting between Hamas Leadership and Senior members of Iraqi Revolutionary Guard gave final approval last Monday in Beirut.
CNN does report that the US is still digging, but some unamed officials basically said "Duh its Iran man".
Beyond using their navy to evacuate Americans, its also likely that the American's moved a Carrier battle group into the area to warn off Lebonan and Iran.
But if Israel finds that proof positive that Iran financed this and helped plan this, I expect there will be some serious retaliation.
Judaism is a religion how can you be Jewish and not follow the tenants?
How could you be Jewish before the religion was formed?
Arab is not a religion. You stated Arab wasn't a thing before the Muslim religion came about. Being Arab isn't about being Muslim.
So technically shouldn't non practicing jews be called the Yiddish like how Arabs are call that due to it being referenced from the language they speak?
Also regarding the Roman's. Are you talking about the Roman CATHOLIC scriptures? No religious bearings in those texts what so ever.
Also didn't you come out as in favour of Ukraines invasion as well?
This has to be either a joke or a drunk post.
You've heard of the Roman Empire right? Like the existence of the Jewish kings who ruled Judea from Jerusalem, it's existence is very much not historically disputed.
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I still can’t believe the CBC has a formal policy of not describing Hamas as terrorist group.
This is a 0.1% position held only by activist groups. This isn’t even a debate in our own federal politics. Illuminating if only to clarify the ideology of the people running their news division, and how that permeates into their coverage.
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Actually it was for a bit there.
If I want to make any major changes to my profile, as a grandfathered user, I have to answer the "do you know the Flames question?" which I have yet to answer - probably because i really don't know the Flames or something like that...
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I still can’t believe the CBC has a formal policy of not describing Hamas as terrorist group.
This is a 0.1% position held only by activist groups. This isn’t even a debate in our own federal politics. Illuminating if only to clarify the ideology of the people running their news division, and how that permeates into their coverage.
Yup....its truly mind boggling. Its a position that could be stomached if they did not rely on taxpayer money to exist, but everyone knows that simply is not the case.
Questions really need to be asked about all this. Who/why/when made that decision?
I posted earlier other news organization are doing it, too. I therefor have to assume there is a good reason, and we'll probably hear about it soon enough. Being outraged without info isn't really helping.
I got to Jordan on Sunday. So far life as usual, other than flight path was changed on the way in and we had to have our shoes on once we entered Israeli airspace.
I still can’t believe the CBC has a formal policy of not describing Hamas as terrorist group.
This is a 0.1% position held only by activist groups. This isn’t even a debate in our own federal politics. Illuminating if only to clarify the ideology of the people running their news division, and how that permeates into their coverage.
I can't think of any act that better fits the definition of terrorism then purposely gunning down hundreds of attendants at a music festival.
I got to Jordan on Sunday. So far life as usual, other than flight path was changed on the way in and we had to have our shoes on once we entered Israeli airspace.
Glad you arrived safely.
I'd be scared to fly over that zone right now.
