Brexit- Update: Britain has voted to leave the EU

[nik-]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Not at all, great life over here, but thanks for the concern. Seems like Im having a better day than you are anyway.

I'm doing fine. Not trying to squeeze joy out of the misery of others I don't even know.

Sad life.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Yes, democracy prevailed. All pigs are equal, some are just more equal than others. Tyranny of the majority might be a form of democracy but's not a good one.

I'm going to link this article from Vice (pardon the source, I know it's garbage) but this opinion piece I think really hits the nail on the head on the anti-immigration movement.




https://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/whit...-oppressed-456

You are right. That article was a piece of racist trash.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Well the British pound is at its lowest value in 30 years. The Euro has taken a hit as well. This doesnt make sense economically for the Brits, but then again it wasnt a money decision. It was a bunch of anti-immigration folks who felt like the EU was to blame for the end of the 'good old days' in Britain. Basically it was the UK version of the Trump voters.

I think this is a bad move. Bad for betraying Scotland, mucking up trade relations, etc. Hope they have a lot of entrepreneurs.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It just shows that governments are broken. The Brits voted against their government basically and in the US people will vote for Trump because Bush and Obama broke government.

The government can't get anything done for 16 years, who knows maybe Trump can! That's the feeling right now.

Out of thanks. Good point.

[killer_carlson]

Leftists doing themselves a disservice blaming this vote on racists.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

So my understanding is parliament still has to pass this, correct? Is there any chance it gets blocked?

Doubtful, and at this point, I doubt Parliament would go against the Will of the People.

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

Those white people voted to get out of the EU largely because they don't like the influx of immigrants. Much like the US, these people want to return to a time where being white meant you got special treatment. These are people who are bothered by seeing minorities sharing the things they've always enjoyed.

It's not hate speech to call them out on that bigotry.

This is just very simplistic, even if you kind of buy the anti-immigrant line we are talking about eu immigrants like Greeks, Poles, Hungarians, Croatians, and so on. These people are very white. Yes some people have always been resistant to immigrants taking away their jobs, they need them to survive, but it is literally not a black/white issue.

[V]

Barely a blip on the stocks I follow. That's disappointing, I was in a buying mood this morning.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by nik-

I'm doing fine. Not trying to squeeze joy out of the misery of others I don't even know.

Don't be so dramatic. It is kinda funny, and I'm a liberal! With some of them you'd think the world was coming to an end and they have no banks, corporations or conspiracies to blame, just their own voting populace.

[CaptainCrunch]

Look I don't know much about this, its interesting from a political standpoint, and the short term fallout from it is going to cause some problems economically on a global scale.

But I think that its way to early to be jumping out and saying its going to be an outright disaster, I think that it will be interesting to see what the trade agreement negotiations look like and how the de-integration of the markets is going to look.

Its also going to be interesting to see how Britain re-sets its immigration policy.

As for Canada, yeah, there's going to have to be new trade agreements with the UK and GB.

Personally I don't think that the EU was all that great, and I get why the brexit vote happened and why it happened.

[Hack&Lube]

Because of socio-economic inequality, pure referendums or elections can be swung by uneducated masses who make knee-jerk, foolish decisions such as voting for Brexit or Trump.

Democracy gives way to Ochlocracy (mob rule) or a tyranny of the masses.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Nyah

Don't be so dramatic. It is kinda funny, and I'm a liberal! With some of them you'd think the world was coming to an end and they have no banks, corporations or conspiracies to blame, just their own voting populace.

But shouldn't they love this because its one step from moving away from Globalization, which they claim to hate? They should be ecstatic.

You'd think that groups like labor unions would love it to because the change in immigration policy will mean less jobs going to immigrants for cheaper.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Leftists doing themselves a disservice blaming this vote on racists.

I think it's sad because it's not really racists that did this, it's a huge number of people who think that things can actually go back to the "old way".

I feel bad for them because it's false hope.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Look I don't know much about this, its interesting from a political standpoint, and the short term fallout from it is going to cause some problems economically on a global scale.

But I think that its way to early to be jumping out and saying its going to be an outright disaster, I think that it will be interesting to see what the trade agreement negotiations look like and how the de-integration of the markets is going to look.

Its also going to be interesting to see how Britain re-sets its immigration policy.

As for Canada, yeah, there's going to have to be new trade agreements with the UK and GB.

Personally I don't think that the EU was all that great, and I get why the brexit vote happened and why it happened.

Except the EU thinks that the EU is great. When EU representatives were asked this morning whether or not they will be hard on the UK in post-Brexit negotiations to prevent other referendums, they said 'no, we don't need to be tough, UK was stupid enough to leave but no other countries would be, they would go bankrupt!"

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It just shows that governments are broken. The Brits voted against their government basically and in the US people will vote for Trump because Bush and Obama broke government.

The government can't get anything done for 16 years, who knows maybe Trump can! That's the feeling right now.

How exactly did they break government?

My thought is that people can just retreat into their echo chambers now and never learn enough about the other side to actually make an informed decision.

[Flamenspiel]

nm

[chemgear]

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Because of socio-economic inequality, pure referendums or elections can be swung by uneducated masses who make knee-jerk, foolish decisions such as voting for Brexit or Trump.

Democracy gives way to Ochlocracy (mob rule) or a tyranny of the masses.

You mean like voting for the NDP in Alberta?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Except the EU thinks that the EU is great. When EU representatives were asked this morning whether or not they will be hard on the UK in post-Brexit negotiations to prevent other referendums, they said 'no, we don't need to be tough, UK was stupid enough to leave but no other countries would be, they would go bankrupt!"

Its interesting, because the EU supposedly functions because countries will go broke and Germany will have to bail them out. Frankly I'm surprised that Germany hasn't packed it in on the EU.

Basically to me, the EU is like a boarding house with a few rich people, a few people that are middle class, and a bunch of hobo's crashing on the couch.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by nik-

I think it's sad because it's not really racists that did this, it's a huge number of people who think that things can actually go back to the "old way".

I feel bad for them because it's false hope.

Except the "old way" is mono(white) culture.

Don't kid yourself, for most, veiled racism is 100% the reason they voted against this.