Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[GGG]

Originally Posted by #-3

Crude wording, but I was thinking middle working aged, so ~41, half way between 18 and 65

But I stand by what I said, I doubt you could find many 41ish couples in Calgary who are both working and not pulling $82K or more, that really only equates to about $20/hour.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...rDisplay=false

So you can filter the data however you want to slice incomes and jurisdictions but for Alberta it looks like there are about 30k couples aged 45-55 about 15% that earn less than 80k per year and about 56k or 20% of 35-44 year old couple families.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by GGG

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/t1/tbl1...rDisplay=false

So you can filter the data however you want to slice incomes and jurisdictions but for Alberta it looks like there are about 30k couples aged 45-55 about 15% that earn less than 80k per year and about 56k or 20% of 35-44 year old couple families.

I think that squares fairly well with what I said.

Probably a good chunk of those have other life circumstances, unable to / don't need to work, under the table / tip income unreported, back to school, on EI....

But still I that qualifies not finding many.

[belsarius]

The $82k figure was after-tax income.

2024:
Median household after-tax income: $82,432

Average house price: $690,531 (as of April 2024)

5-year conventional mortgage rate: 6.08% (as of April 2024)

So really you are talking about $110-120k household pre-tax income. So both people earning more like $28 an hour instead of $20.

I don't think it changes the point at all, but wanted to clarify.

[puffnstuff]

Theres reporting that the Cons are sending resources in to the Carleton riding, their numbers for pp in his riding must not look good.

[Mathgod]

Canada is so hooped if we elect PP and his group of dilettantes and magical thinkers.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

They also play a crucial role in protecting child predators. On the whole I'd say the church does more harm than good in our society

There's good and bad in everything. Society went through a lot worse things in the old days, and religion played a role in helping them to get through the tough times. I often wonder how much the gradual disappearance of religion in our society these days is contributing to things like corruption, cynicism, lower sense of community, mental illness, etc.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

There's good and bad in everything. Society went through a lot worse things in the old days, and religion played a role in helping them to get through the tough times. I often wonder how much the gradual disappearance of religion in our society these days is contributing to things like corruption, cynicism, lower sense of community, mental illness, etc.

No joke, I wonder how the existence of religion contributes to things like corruption, cynicism, lower sense of community, mental illness, etc.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

No joke, I wonder how the existence of religion contributes to things like corruption, cynicism, lower sense of community, mental illness, etc.

I'm talking about the disappearance of religion in our society contributing to those things. Or put another way, I believe if society had more "faith hope and charity", we would have a better world.

Well I don't mean to hijack this thread, but Religion can give meaning to one's life by providing a framework for understanding the world, moral values, and a sense of purpose. It helps individuals find a clear understanding of their place in the world and guide their actions to live a meaningful and enjoyable life.

Now I'm not saying religion is for everyone, and I don't think you have to be religious to be a good and successful person, but for most people in the world it seems to be a positive part of their life, and may help them over the tough times.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

Rebel news has a petition up to support creating a Canadian DOGE.

I mean it's worked so well down there, look at how excited its two founders, Vivek and Elon, are to continue their work after the first few months. Can't imagine why anyone would object to repeating that project in their own country. Sign me up.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I'm talking about the disappearance of religion in our society contributing to those things. Or put another way, I believe if society had more "faith hope and charity", we would have a better world.

WellI don't mean to hijack this thread, but Religion can give meaning to one's life by providing a framework for understanding the world, moral values, and a sense of purpose. It helps individuals find a clear understanding of their place in the world and guide their actions to live a meaningful and enjoyable life.

Now I'm not saying religion is for everyone, and I don't think you have to be religious to be a good and successful person, but for most people in the world it seems to be a positive part of their life, and may help them over the tough times.

When you say “disappearance of religion”, you don’t really mean disappearance of “religion”; you are referring to one specific religion.

”Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things.
But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

I'm talking about the disappearance of religion in our society contributing to those things. Or put another way, I believe if society had more "faith hope and charity", we would have a better world.

Well I don't mean to hijack this thread, but Religion can give meaning to one's life by providing a framework for understanding the world, moral values, and a sense of purpose. It helps individuals find a clear understanding of their place in the world and guide their actions to live a meaningful and enjoyable life.

Now I'm not saying religion is for everyone, and I don't think you have to be religious to be a good and successful person, but for most people in the world it seems to be a positive part of their life, and may help them over the tough times.

Just take a look down south to see how well more religion works out. In every country in the world where religion plays a major role in society, it's just an excuse for the worst people in those countries to act out their bigoted, racist, and hateful views, all while claiming "righteousness". You really think Canada would be better off with more churches like in the US, where they grift their congregations to buy private jets and luxury mansions? The US has become such a depraved and ugly country precisely because they allowed religion to run amok

[TheIronMaiden]

I do think that there is a distinct lack of community in modern Canadian society. Christianity, other religions can fill that void. Congregation can be a very positive thing.

That said, my experience living in the bible belt of Alberta, is that there is an oppressive conformity that is required to participate in most Albertan churches. Straight, White and English speaking. Hell there is even a nasty rumor going about that one of the churches is having exorcisms on children who are gay. ( this is totally unsubstantiated)

[KelVarnsen]

Religion gives people excuses to be ####ty people.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

People don't need an excuse to be ####ty people.

Religion at the macro level, historically and globally, is not a positive force. In Canada, though, churches probably contribute more positive than negative overall.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

People don't need an excuse to be ####ty people.

Religion at the macro level, historically and globally, is not a positive force. In Canada, though, churches probably contribute more positive than negative overall.

I'm not sure the indigenous people would agree with this statement.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Regorium

Part of me wonders whether there was just more ability or desire to move back in the day. If you didn't get the house you wanted in Vancouver, you'd go to Winnipeg. If Winnipeg is too expensive, then Lethbridge. Etc.

I wonder whether there's actually a potential for another metropolitan area to develop where 50 years from now our grandkids or great-grandkids would be like "In 2030 you bought a nice house in the middle of Red Deer for 250k, and now those exact houses are worth $2.5M in 2100".

Or is that type of movement just dead in the new age?

So on that, I have this ambition, where as soon as I get the 800M valuation on my one man startup, I am going to turn Pincher Creek into a new metropolis, starting with a university and a multiplex that is both an indoor six-flags-esque roller coaster, a key subway station, my startup's headquarters.

Laugh at me now, but i am going to turn the waterton area into a destination.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I'm not sure the indigenous people would agree with this statement.

Which churches are currently harming indigenous people, and how?

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Which churches are currently harming indigenous people, and how?

Intergenerational trauma doesn't require active harm to occur.

And besides, the last residential schools are in living memory for a lot of people.

[calgarygeologist]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1915046804036747517

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Yamer

And besides, the last residential schools are in living memory for a lot of people.

1997.

It is disgusting to type that.