[PGT] Oilers 2 - Flames 1

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

It might be bad for them the next night, or the night after that. But they might find a way to score their way out of it.

Probably not considering they have had the most powerplays in the league despite being outplayed badly 5 on 5

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by zamler

That's because Nurse is an idiot.

No, it's because Nurse interfered with him. Blatantly.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

Blaming the refs - just another lazy argument. Nobody says jack #### about the officiating if this team could put a puck in the net. That’s the underlying issue, Oilers top player stepped up tonight with a solid solo effort as he’s paid to do. Our ‘top’ player almost set up some chances. Sweet. Cant rely on your teammates to finish chances. Take it upon yourself. As your paid to do. Saw JG take this initiative a lot over the years. 10.5 ####ing million hahaha

I really don't get this argument.

The Oilers literally rely on penalties to win games. It IS their gameplan. Guess who calls penalties? That's right, refs.

So they rely on the refs to provide support.

By the same token, the Flames were deserving of a few more powerplays tonight.

If you don't think powerplays and the refs affect the outcome of games, however lazy you think the argument is, you're not paying attention.

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[Yobbo]

Originally Posted by Inferno

Because the Oilers were winning.



No doubt at all that's a call on the Flames if the roles were reversed and the Flames were winning.

No doubt. I hate to think there's an agenda with this league, but there's no way I can think otherwise anymore.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by Joborule

To add to this, Flames draw more penalties (149) than the Oilers do (143) who are at 12th. For penalties taken, Flames have taken 161, while Oilers at 12th have taken 141.

What is your point? That the officiating was fair and balanced tonight?

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yet when they play the Oilers and have 77% possession they get ONE.

Honestly how often does this have to happen for people to admit the league wants McDavid to succeed and is doing what they can

I think we have homer goggles on based on my post above. If the league was giving as much love to them over everyone else as we think they are, they should be in top 5 for penalties drawn, and probably rank lower for penalties taken.

[Infinit47]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Also, Flames are 6th in the league or penalties drawn. So the narrative seems silly when Flames get more PP opportunities then most of the league does.

Maybe it sticks out on this forum because Flames are also 5th in league for penalties taken.

Where can you find these stats for PP's for and against. I am having a heck of a time finding them.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

I really don't get this argument.

The Oilers literally rely on penalties to win games. It IS their gameplan. Guess who calls penalties? That's right, refs.

So they rely on the refs to provide support.

By the same token, the Flames were deserving of a few more powerplays tonight.

If you don't think powerplays and the refs affect the outcome of games, however lazy you think the argument is, you're not paying attention.

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Flames pp was dominant too

2-3 more calls like they deserved there, probably add 1 on the board at least

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Also, Flames are 6th in the league or penalties drawn. So the narrative seems silly when Flames get more PP opportunities then most of the league does.

Maybe it sticks out on this forum because Flames are also 5th in league for penalties taken.

Flames get more calls against them than for them. Despite greater possession.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Burning Beard

What is your point? That the officiating was fair and balanced tonight?

Essentially yeah. Penalties was part of the result, but by the Flames own doing. Officials let the players play this game. The Flames lack of discipline for the whole season has been holding them back since it contributes in putting them in a spot where they need to comeback, which this team isn't built for.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Joborule

I think we have homer goggles on based on my post above. If the league was giving as much love to them over everyone else as we think they are, they should be in top 5 for penalties drawn, and probably rank lower for penalties taken.

The Oilers have had more powerplays than the Flames this season...your "drawn penalties" must include offsetting ect.

[getoverit]

Enough whining on the refs.

.Hubby played a solid game, Markstrom played great, Toffoli showed up little abut unlucky, and backlund played solid. Thought Tanev/Weegar played a solid game

Eat bread was horrific, Kadri needs to learn what a one timer is, Lindybwas NOT noticeable at all and enough with the perimeter play. There was a moment in the game when we were skating hard and passing thru the middle and it was marvellous. More please

[Goriders]

I don’t think it really matters whether or not the Flames got another pp or two.

Do you honestly think they would have scored on it?

48 shots. 1 goal.

[Captain Otto]

Originally Posted by Joborule

Essentially yeah. Penalties was part of the result, but by the Flames own doing. Officials let the players play this game. The Flames lack of discipline for the whole season has been holding them back since it contributes in putting them in a spot where they need to comeback, which this team isn't built for.

Dude. You are painting a wide brush and I think most people are talking about the idea that there was something off with the calls tonight.

Can you at least see that?

I mean did you watch the game and think, "damn, that was well reffed."

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[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Joborule

To add to this, Flames draw more penalties (149) than the Oilers do (143) who are at 12th. For penalties taken, Flames have taken 161, while Oilers at 12th have taken 141.

To summarize: Flames 161 penalties against and 149 for. -12

Oilers 141 against and 143 for. +2

Despite the fac that the Flames a re a far better team, 5 on 5.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

Where can you find these stats for PP's for and against. I am having a heck of a time finding them.

This one is for penalties in general: https://www.nhl.com/stats/teams?repo...=0&pageSize=50

Power Plays

Penalty Kills (In this one, Flames rank 2nd for times shorthanded per game)

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

I really don't get this argument.

The Oilers literally rely on penalties to win games. It IS their gameplan. Guess who calls penalties? That's right, refs.

So they rely on the refs to provide support.

By the same token, the Flames were deserving of a few more powerplays tonight.

If you don't think powerplays and the refs affect the outcome of games, however lazy you think the argument is, you're not paying attention.

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It didn't affect the outcome of tonights game. If the Flames got one or two more powerplays and lived up to their 23rd overall PP% once again, then who/what would you blame? The fact that they can't score?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Infinit47

I don't think the Flames have outplayed the Oilers that soundly in quite awhile.

Maybe, but they constantly outplay them in defeat.
The "we win that 9 times out of 10" is said everytime and it's just not true.
I hate it but the Oilers have our number, even while being outplayed thoroughly.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Captain Otto

Dude. You are painting a wide brush and I think most people are talking about the idea that there was something off with the calls tonight.

Can you at least see that?

I mean did you watch the game and think, "damn, that was well reffed."

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I genuinely do feel it was for the most part. I think if the Flames were to challenge the Oilers more in attempting to generate high danger chances in the slot, it could've forced the Oilers into taking some penalties since they would've had to do more to disrupt a grade A chance. The perimeter play the Flames did for most of the game the Oilers were willing to give up. Skinner didn't give up juicy rebounds the Flames could pounce on, and contained the middle of the ice well enough.

[Steve Bozek]

Gave up after 2nd period and went back to reading a good book. There were some bright spots - Markstrom, Huberdeau, Backlund - but the outcome was too frustrating and predictable.