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Old 01-12-2026, 02:16 PM   #17461
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I saw it was reported that the DHS is sending an additional 1,000 ICE agents into Minneapolis. That should help deescalate things.
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Old 01-12-2026, 02:17 PM   #17462
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I think countries who are adversaries of the US (namely China and Russia) use misinformation and indirectly fund protests / riots in the US to create unrest.

I think probably lots of countries are doing this or trying to do this to other countries.

It’s a smaller demographic in countries that allow themselves to be played. And they make the news.
I the key difference is the leader getting played, vs the general populace.

Has the plurality of Albertans been played into thinking equalization is a sum of money sent from the Alberta Government to the Canadian government, that then goes straight to Quebec? Yes. But Trust me, even though she is a cynical liar, Danielle Smith understands that incomes are taxed at a progressive level, and fundamentally the higher average wage in Alberta is what causes us to receive less in return from Canada than we contribute (financially). A sensible person could think of it as us providing more inputs into security and economic development because we have more resources, but that is not a useful framing, and the average member of the electorate is is disinterested in political knowledge.

While with Trump he is the disinterested person, acting on bad information. That is the difference. Danielle Smith is bad, but she is cynically using bad information to her advantage. Donald Trump is bad, and is taking bad conclusions from bad information and creating all kinds of unintended consequences in both positive and negative directions, but mostly negative. When we say Trump is being played like a fiddle, we literally mean Donald Trump the person, not Donald Trump the embodiment of American Populace. It is too be expected in any country and a certain segment will be played by bad actors.
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Leaders like Tim Apple provide a perfect example of how easy it is to play Trump with a gold trinket. Or FIFA. Or Venezuelan Peace Price gifter. There is a reason people do this. Because he can be played like a fiddle.
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Old 01-12-2026, 02:45 PM   #17464
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I think countries who are adversaries of the US (namely China and Russia) use misinformation and indirectly fund protests / riots in the US to create unrest.

I think probably lots of countries are doing this or trying to do this to other countries.

It’s a smaller demographic in countries that allow themselves to be played. And they make the news.
Ironically, this is exactly what the US does to destabilize the Middle East and Asia. If you take a step back and think about it, what's the purpose of the CIA? They were created to de-stabalize regions to cause unrest and help continue to fuel the American military complex and ensure other countries don't ever get ahead of the US economically.

The CIA inherently has caused many many deaths over their existence. They just try to whitewash this with Hollywood often portraying them as some sort of righteous organization for the good of the world, when they are the opposite and have directly and indirectly started many wars in various regions and have prolonged it as much as possible.
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Ironically, this is exactly what the US does to destabilize the Middle East and Asia. If you take a step back and think about it, what's the purpose of the CIA? They were created to de-stabalize regions to cause unrest and help continue to fuel the American military complex and ensure other countries don't ever get ahead of the US economically.

The CIA inherently has caused many many deaths over their existence. They just try to whitewash this with Hollywood often portraying them as some sort of righteous organization for the good of the world, when they are the opposite and have directly and indirectly started many wars in various regions and have prolonged it as much as possible.
That's simplifying things, but it's also a very old strategy. The colonial powers used it, and during WW1 for example Germany quite famously supported Lenins revolutionary project. A prime example of a massively succesful destabilization and regime change... at least in the short term.
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Old 01-12-2026, 02:58 PM   #17466
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I had always assumed that before things got too crazy the 25th amendment would have been used to calm things down. I don't think think the VP and cabinet will ever use it because they are right there with him.
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The difference with the US is that usually the country under attack recognizes it and responds, vs embracing it like a bunch of uneducated clowns.
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Old 01-12-2026, 03:13 PM   #17468
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Greenland costs Denmark almost a billion US a year, they should be happy some sucker wants to take that liability from them. Same thing with Nunavut, which costs us a billion a year in administration alone, just so the Inuit can have their own special territory. If the US wants it, we should let them have it. Not like we're doing anything with it.
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Greenland costs Denmark almost a billion US a year, they should be happy some sucker wants to take that liability from them. Same thing with Nunavut, which costs us a billion a year in administration alone, just so the Inuit can have their own special territory. If the US wants it, we should let them have it. Not like we're doing anything with it.
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The difference with the US is that usually the country under attack recognizes it and responds, vs embracing it like a bunch of uneducated clowns.
Exactly. Yet there are still protests and riots all the time there.
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Since when??
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Greenland costs Denmark almost a billion US a year, they should be happy some sucker wants to take that liability from them. Same thing with Nunavut, which costs us a billion a year in administration alone, just so the Inuit can have their own special territory. If the US wants it, we should let them have it. Not like we're doing anything with it.
You should take a job in international relations, sounds like you have it all sorted.
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So if the US invades Greenland, and all NATO countries have to support Greenland, does this mean the US has to go to war against the US? Ha. Ha.
I know this is a joke. But they already are. Quite literally.
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So if the US invades Greenland, and all NATO countries have to support Greenland, does this mean the US has to go to war against the US? Ha. Ha.
It wouldn’t be the first time.
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Tronald Dump is going to be disappointed to find out that Greenland is neither green nor nearly as big as its portrayed on the old mercator-projected map.
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Tronald Dump is going to be disappointed to find out that Greenland is neither green nor nearly as big as its portrayed on the old mercator-projected map.
It's still absolutely huge; it's triple the size of Texas... Lebensraum indeed!
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It's still absolutely huge; it's triple the size of Texas... Lebensraum indeed!
Its not like America is this stiflingly small place on it's own.
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Trump had a meltdown this morning over the possibility that the US Supreme Court might rule against his tariffs. This is as close to free money as you'll ever get. Polymarket have it as a 27% chance right now.

The actual numbers that we would have to pay back if, for any reason, the Supreme Court were to rule against the United States of America on Tariffs, would be many Hundreds of Billions of Dollars, and that doesn’t include the amount of “payback” that Countries and Companies would require for the Investments they are making on building Plants, Factories, and Equipment, for the purpose of being able to avoid the payment of Tariffs. When these Investments are added, we are talking about Trillions of Dollars! It would be a complete mess, and almost impossible for our Country to pay. Anybody who says that it can be quickly and easily done would be making a false, inaccurate, or totally misunderstood answer to this very large and complex question. It may not be possible but, if it were, it would be Dollars that would be so large that it would take many years to figure out what number we are talking about and even, who, when, and where, to pay. Remember, when America shines brightly, the World shines brightly. In other words, if the Supreme Court rules against the United States of America on this National Security bonanza, WE’RE SCREWED!
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