[PGT] Flames beat Sabres

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Or, possibly, he kept switching the lines until he found ones that worked and then stuck with them.

He get's no credit from me on that.

He spent 20 games mixing lines and he didn't give lines enough consistency to even find chemistry. It was only when Honzek got hurt that it forced him to stop rotating people around the line up and stick with a consistent top 9.

Part of it is roster construction as the team realistically had 11 top 9 forwards, and it was only Honzek getting hurt, and then Klapka being relegated to full time 4th line role that locked in a consistent top 9, but honestly some of the line combinations were head scratching through the first 20 games and IMO had a lot to do with the forward groups struggles.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Bingo

How many times do you need to hear Conroy talking about not walking vets to free agency before you exclude Andersson from the above list?

Not to mention we've had our insiders here saying Ras is out the door and its just a matter of time before they trade him.

[Bingo]

I just can't imagine fretting over something you have so little control over.

The team's October sealed their fate, but they're not going to lose the last 50 games in a row.

Very unsettling to my "don't sweat what you can't control" life mantra to have to face the panic mob after every win.

And just because people are lumping things incorrectly ...

I'm not saying you're less of a fan because you cheer for a loss.
I am saying you're annoying to bring it up as a panic point after every win.
I'm not saying the team shouldn't rebuild.
I'm not saying the team shouldn't move veterans for value.
I am saying I'm good with them assessing the market and making that move when it's prudent.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I am not worried at all about the Flames suddenly feeling the need to keep Andersson. If they were going to keep Andersson, then he would have been re-signed by now. He isn't going to walk as a UFA.


Half of me hopes that he gets traded right before the Olympics, mostly simply because of a potential injury. However, I think his value - and the market overall - dramatically increases after the Olympics. Teams haven't accrued much cap space yet, plus the Olympics are sure going to produce a number of injuries, forcing some teams to make moves.


Just enjoy the wins. Flames are 4th last and are on a bit of a heater, but they also have 3 games in hand on last place Nashville. They just need to stay in range, and when the trades start to happen, I imagine this team will more or less implode. They are not playing like a bottom-tier team right now, and haven't been for a long time. Credit to Huska and the leaders on the team, just like last season. They are playing gutsy, they got some lucky bounces last night, and they are fun to watch right now. Just sit back and enjoy it. I mean, you or I can not do a single thing about it other than choose to enjoy it, or choose to fixate on the standings, right? Might as well just sit back and enjoy it for now.


Things will happen, I am sure. I trust that Conroy knows what should be done, and I am sure he will get the job done.

I don't agree with this. This management group has been nothing if not patient. They like to use their time.

I feel like the door is still very much open and I could see Andersson's strong performance and the team starting to win, close the gap on both sides.

Rasmus is a young father with roots here. Throw in the fact that he's a core member of the leadership group and the new arena on the horizon, it wouldn't shock me one bit to see him decide he wants to stay.

On the Flames side, I could see them seeing his uptick in play and thinking maybe he is worth an extra 1m and 1 year. Maybe they were only offering him 6x7.5, and they decide they would go up to 7x8.5.

The one tough part for management to justify is that we have Parehk and Brz on the horizon, and Weegar already locked in longterm. Bit of a logjam happening on the right.


I still think it's more likely he gets traded (hopefully...) but it wouldn't shock we one bit to see them sign him still. I'd but it at like 80%(trade)/20%(sign)

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

Not to mention we've had our insiders here saying Ras is out the door and its just a matter of time before they trade him.

That's why we're cycling D-men. So we can find the right fit to keep rolling without Rasmus.

[TheIronMaiden]

A part of the Flames hot streak is that they are starting to playing at home more often. They are 7-4-2 at home and have 28 home games remaining.

That said they are a horrific 5-11-2 on the road and have 24 more games.

There is an illusion being created at until the Olympic break. Before the Break the Flames play 19 home games and 10 road games. There is a good chance we see them rise in the standings. After the Olympics the Flames play 9 home games and 14 road games.

This might seem like a small difference but If we take their point percentage at home and apply it to their future home games, and do the same for road games they are on pace for 34 more points at home and 16 more points on the road. Meaning that even with great play at home they are cruising for 81 points on the season, which historically lands you at 23rd-25th in the standings.

To add a little more perspective, Vancouver and Nashville do not have a winning record at home, so the odds of the Flames being worse than them this season are basically zero. Both teams likely finish with fewer than 70 points.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Or, possibly, he kept switching the lines until he found ones that worked and then stuck with them.

Flames playing well? Must find a way to criticize Huska.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

The Doom and Gloom posts are quite amusing. Team Tank seems close to panic mode now, which makes me wonder why they don’t just switch to being fans of a different team.

...... but but Ducks.... but but Hawks .... but but Sharks!

They would welcome all bandwagoners on there! lol

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by traptor

I don't agree with this. This management group has been nothing if not patient. They like to use their time.

I feel like the door is still very much open and I could see Andersson's strong performance and the team starting to win, close the gap on both sides.

Rasmus is a young father with roots here. Throw in the fact that he's a core member of the leadership group and the new arena on the horizon, it wouldn't shock me one bit to see him decide he wants to stay.

On the Flames side, I could see them seeing his uptick in play and thinking maybe he is worth an extra 1m and 1 year. Maybe they were only offering him 6x7.5, and they decide they would go up to 7x8.5.

The one tough part for management to justify is that we have Parehk and Brz on the horizon, and Weegar already locked in longterm. Bit of a logjam happening on the right.


I still think it's more likely he gets traded (hopefully...) but it wouldn't shock we one bit to see them sign him still. I'd but it at like 80%(trade)/20%(sign)

Hasn't this been pretty much diffused with Andersson laughing at the insiders for saying he's back and forth when he hasn't talked to his agent since September (I'd assume he's talked to his agent about other stuff)?

Team isn't talking to the agent or he would be talking to Andersson. Andersson not forcing it or he'd be talking to his agent to talk to the team.

Seems like a trade is pretty much obvious.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Hasn't this been pretty much diffused with Andersson laughing at the insiders for saying he's back and forth when he hasn't talked to his agent since September (I'd assume he's talked to his agent about other stuff)?

Team isn't talking to the agent or he would be talking to Andersson. Andersson not forcing it or he'd be talking to his agent to talk to the team.

Seems like a trade is pretty much obvious.

Maybe, I wasn't aware this was a narrative. It's very possible he has his mind set on leaving already.

From my perspective him staying still feels like a very real possibility, but I would still bet on him moving.

[UKflames]

Have we been playing a lot of bottom teams and yet to play more of the top teams?

[Toonage]

Minnesota & Utah were above the Flames in the standings at the time they met. Utah in particular also has had Calgary's number the past year.

Detroit will be a big challenge tomorrow IMO

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

He get's no credit from me on that.

He spent 20 games mixing lines and he didn't give lines enough consistency to even find chemistry. It was only when Honzek got hurt that it forced him to stop rotating people around the line up and stick with a consistent top 9.

Part of it is roster construction as the team realistically had 11 top 9 forwards, and it was only Honzek getting hurt, and then Klapka being relegated to full time 4th line role that locked in a consistent top 9, but honestly some of the line combinations were head scratching through the first 20 games and IMO had a lot to do with the forward groups struggles.

Honzek-Backlund-Coleman was a consistent line - maybe the only one. If anything, his injury made Huska move a player or two around even more, not make lines more consistent.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Minnesota & Utah were above the Flames in the standings at the time they met. Utah in particular also has had Calgary's number the past year.

Detroit will be a big challenge tomorrow IMO

Everyone except maybe Nashville was above the Flames when they met. Including Vancouver and Buffalo. Doesn't mean they aren't crappy teams.

[Toonage]

Minnesota isn't a crappy team. The Flames beating them shouldn't be looked at as a gimme. Given Utah's recent success against Calgary I'd say the same for them.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Have we been playing a lot of bottom teams and yet to play more of the top teams?

Flames moved up to 3rd on one strength of schedule and are 1st on the other.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Minnesota isn't a crappy team. The Flames beating them shouldn't be looked at as a gimme. Given Utah's recent success against Calgary I'd say the same for them.

No, Minnie is a good team (that played maybe their worst game this season while the Flames played one of their best).

Utah is still a bad team. They will be sellers in a year. Plus they are still the Coyotes, who the Flames seem to always beat.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No, Minnie is a good team (that played maybe their worst game this season while the Flames played one of their best).

Utah is still a bad team. They will be sellers in a year. Plus they are still the Coyotes, who the Flames seem to always beat.

Except last year going 0-3 against Utah.

It seemed like Arizona had our number too before they folded.

[Bingo]

Flames have a lot of metrics tipping negative lately.

In ten game segments ...

xGF%
52% 56% 51% and 48% (one game)

HD splits
51% 56% 52% and 46% (one game)

Segment three is much worse than segment two despite an easier schedule.

The team should have won more games in early late October and early November, and likely should be losing more now.

Things will correct again.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I just can't imagine fretting over something you have so little control over.

The team's October sealed their fate, but they're not going to lose the last 50 games in a row.

Very unsettling to my "don't sweat what you can't control" life mantra to have to face the panic mob after every win.

And just because people are lumping things incorrectly ...

I'm not saying you're less of a fan because you cheer for a loss.
I am saying you're annoying to bring it up as a panic point after every win.
I'm not saying the team shouldn't rebuild.
I'm not saying the team shouldn't move veterans for value.
I am saying I'm good with them assessing the market and making that move when it's prudent.

Who is panicking? They're just saying it isnt going to help. You're dramaticizing things.

Tapping your toes and pretending everything is rainbows and sunshine after wins while they leapfrog teams isn't everybody's approach. It can be yours, but it isnt fair to knock other people who choose a stance of intellectual honesty just for having that stance.

And that doesn't mean they're living in hell or denying reality.

It's an odd place to gingerly lecture people on an eastern-derived philosophy on life (and its a good approach in most facets). But I think you're taking it to the wrong crowd. Pro sports fans generally arent receptive because the whole draw of sports is founded on emotionally-based incentives. And its in the irrationality of fandom for a specific team/colours that people are drawn to participate. If we didnt have these debates of optimism/pessimism and direction we wouldn't have fandom to begin with.

You say don't sweat what you cant control, but it looks to me like you're pushing against fans saying things you can't control. They're going to speak their minds regardless of how sound you believe your arguments to be. So why not take your own wisdom?

Ironically your presence in post game threads hammering on the same argument tells me that you're one of the more perturbed ones here..respectfully.