11-30-2025, 10:17 PM
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#14461
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#1 Goaltender
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I still think Kadri to Winnipeg makes a ton of sense
Scheifele
Kadri as a 1-2 punch is pretty solid for the playoffs
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11-30-2025, 10:18 PM
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#14462
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Originally Posted by traptor
I think most are in the realm of reality, albeit on the optimistic side high end side. These would be solid returns.
I think the other teams would be pushing hard for retention to include higher end prospects.
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I’d be fine adding full retention to any of these trades for those returns. Of course, it’s not my money and I’m certain Edward’s would not like the idea of paying 50% of Kadri’s remaining salary while he played for another team for the next 3.5 seasons.
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11-30-2025, 10:23 PM
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#14463
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Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Braden
I don't think Anton Silayev and his 1 pt in 31 KHL games this season would excite me very much. I unfortunately don't see Andersson bringing back 2 firsts of value. Kadri I could see having the most value due to the term.
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Silayev would be a Bahl type. And we need that for the pair of offensive RHS we are bringing up in Parekh and BRZ.
Oh man that'd be an absolutely MASSIVE top 2 LHD. And Silayev can skate like no other big man. Imagine a fast and agile Bahl pairing up with your Crafty #1 RHS Dman in Parekh.
Yeah if NJ would give the Flames even just Silayev for Kadri I take that and run.
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11-30-2025, 10:24 PM
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#14464
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It just seems like the Devils are going to hold onto their assets for the inevitable Hughes trade with Vancouver.
I think Winnipeg is very intriguing for Kadri especially with Toews not really panning out in the top 6
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11-30-2025, 10:27 PM
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#14465
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
Silayev would be a Bahl type. And we need that for the pair of offensive RHS we are bringing up in Parekh and BRZ.
Oh man that'd be an absolutely MASSIVE top 2 LHD. And Silayev can skate like no other big man. Imagine a fast and agile Bahl pairing up with your Crafty #1 RHS Dman in Parekh.
Yeah if NJ would give the Flames even just Silayev for Kadri I take that and run.
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Incidentally, Silayev was the highest ranked NHL-affiliated prospect (according to the Hockey News list from August) that I included in the trade proposals that I made. He was ranked #23.
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11-30-2025, 10:27 PM
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#14466
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Originally Posted by stemit14
Was looking at the top 100 NHL-affiliated prospects list (August 2025) from The Hockey News to try to come up with some potential trades for Andersson, Kadri and Coleman. For the most part, I’m trying to stick with teams that are firmly in their “win now” window rather than teams coming out of their rebuilds because I don’t think they will trade top prospects for anyone… the exceptions being teams desperate to make the playoffs after a long time missing out (eg. Detroit or Utah). Also trying to avoid teams that the flames won’t trade to or are for sure on NT lists (eg. Edmonton or Buffalo). I didn’t include any prospects listed in the top 20 according to the Hockey News list.
Any of the following trades seem reasonable? Too much? Not enough? What if salary retention was added to these trades? Assume the picks are top 10 protected.
A)
To New Jersey:
Nazem Kadri
To Calgary:
Anton Silayev (LD) + 2026 1st round pick
B)
To Carolina:
Rasmus Andersson
To Calgary:
Bradley Nadeau (C/RW) + 2027 1st round pick
C)
To Montreal:
Nazem Kadri
To Calgary:
Michael Hage (C)+ 2026 1st round pick
D)
To Los Angeles:
Rasmus Andersson
To Calgary:
Liam Greentree (RW) + 2026 1st round pick
E)
To Winnipeg:
Nazem Kadri
To Calgary:
Brayden Yager (C) + 2026 1st round pick
F)
To Colorado:
Coleman (50% retained)
To Calgary:
Mikhail Gulyayev (LD) + 2026 2nd round pick
G)
To Utah:
Rasmus Andersson
To Calgary:
Dmitri Simashev (LD) + 2026 1st round pick
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A please. More than any other trade I want that one.
Maybe E as well. Doubt they move Yager though. That'd be the perfect acquisition though, ticks every box of Conroy's day 1 mandate of getting a young RHS top 6 caliber center.
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11-30-2025, 10:28 PM
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#14467
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
It just seems like the Devils are going to hold onto their assets for the inevitable Hughes trade with Vancouver.
I think Winnipeg is very intriguing for Kadri especially with Toews not really panning out in the top 6
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I could see that being true. Too bad because I think they would be a good fit for Kadri.
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11-30-2025, 10:29 PM
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#14468
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Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by stemit14
Incidentally, Silayev was the highest ranked NHL-affiliated prospect (according to the Hockey News list from August) that I included in the trade proposals that I made. He was ranked #23.
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Skates like Kylington, built like Bahl. Me want on the Flames bad. Who's gonna recover pucks from Parekh turn overs? The fastest mutant around Silayev.
Kids only 19 as well. 19!!
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11-30-2025, 10:29 PM
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#14469
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Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Aarongavey
Probably correct. Better offensive numbers in the WHL than Morrisey in his D-1 season, better offensive numbers than Evan Bouchard in his OHL D-1 season, better offensive numbers than Morgan Rielly in D-1 season.
Almost the same offensive pace as Zayne Parekh in his D-1 season.
Has the best offensive numbers of any draft eligible NCAA defenceman in 40 years.
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Don’t get me wrong though, if he settles in to a Pietrangelo/Ekblad type of style/career, you’re still laughing. It’s easy to forget just how good AP is (or was).
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11-30-2025, 10:32 PM
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#14470
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Conroy said he's a center and they'll be developing him as one. That was from his post rd1 interview at the draft.
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Sure, but if he’s not capable of being a C at the NHL level then it’s not going to matter what Conroy says.
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11-30-2025, 10:32 PM
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#14471
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Location: Calgary
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Yeah you gotta think Fitzgerald would be kinda done dealing with Conny lol after the Marky trade. And the Toffoli trade. But alternatively, if the Flames were Fitzys one stop shop for big acquisitions, I'm all for that too.
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11-30-2025, 10:35 PM
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#14472
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Originally Posted by TOfan
Sure, but if he’s not capable of being a C at the NHL level then it’s not going to matter what Conroy says.
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And it matters what we as fans say more? I'm confused.
Should we just agree with random internet people more than the ones who actually put in the work, know far more about the player than the random scouting blogger or fan?
Okay you win, Potters a winger. Because that's what people told you to think that aren't the ones that drafted him. Congrats.
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11-30-2025, 10:35 PM
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#14473
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Originally Posted by stemit14
Was looking at the top 100 NHL-affiliated prospects list (August 2025) from The Hockey News to try to come up with some potential trades for Andersson, Kadri and Coleman. For the most part, I’m trying to stick with teams that are firmly in their “win now” window rather than teams coming out of their rebuilds because I don’t think they will trade top prospects for anyone… the exceptions being teams desperate to make the playoffs after a long time missing out (eg. Detroit or Utah). Also trying to avoid teams that the flames won’t trade to or are for sure on NT lists (eg. Edmonton or Buffalo). I didn’t include any prospects listed in the top 20 according to the Hockey News list.
Any of the following trades seem reasonable? Too much? Not enough? What if salary retention was added to these trades? Assume the picks are top 10 protected.
A)
To New Jersey:
Nazem Kadri
To Calgary:
Anton Silayev (LD) + 2026 1st round pick
B)
To Carolina:
Rasmus Andersson
To Calgary:
Bradley Nadeau (C/RW) + 2027 1st round pick
C)
To Montreal:
Nazem Kadri
To Calgary:
Michael Hage (C)+ 2026 1st round pick
D)
To Los Angeles:
Rasmus Andersson
To Calgary:
Liam Greentree (RW) + 2026 1st round pick
E)
To Winnipeg:
Nazem Kadri
To Calgary:
Brayden Yager (C) + 2026 1st round pick
F)
To Colorado:
Coleman (50% retained)
To Calgary:
Mikhail Gulyayev (LD) + 2026 2nd round pick
G)
To Utah:
Rasmus Andersson
To Calgary:
Dmitri Simashev (LD) + 2026 1st round pick
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Not sure how reasonable any of these are, because I always prepare for disappointment, but I would trade Kadri to the Habs straight up if it got us Hage- I would even add, lol. He’s a top-line C in the making, and would solve a lot of our issues going forward. I don’t see the Habs trading him, and I doubt Greentree goes anywhere either. The other proposals seem good to me. Just my $.02.
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11-30-2025, 10:44 PM
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#14474
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Powerplay Quarterback
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I keep my expectations low key.
I expect for returns:
Andersson. First. Second. Mid 20’s project player to balance cap. No retention.
Coleman by all rights should be traded. First . Second or Borderline first type prospect. Dont think CC even entertains the trade otherwise unfortunately.
Kadri? First. B+,A- prospect and a solid young roster player. Again dont think CC entertains the trade otherwise.
Dont think kadri gets traded. Andersson will be for sure. Coleman 50/50 i think right now.
Will put a caveat that if a great young center prospect were offered CC would help them pack barring a few exceptions.
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11-30-2025, 10:47 PM
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#14475
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I’ll add that, for the Kadri trades, I’m intentionally making them really big returns because I think that’s what it will take to get the flames to trade him. When you consider the following:
1. The flames don’t really want to trade him;
2. Kadri doesn’t want to be traded;
3. Kadri is the team’s best forward;
4. Kadri is the team’s only legit top 6 center; and
5. Kadri is a leader on the team and has indicated a desire to help build this team.
If the above is true, it likely takes an over-pay to get it done (i.e. at least what Nelson returned last year). Unfortunately, that stance may lead to him not getting traded at all this season IMO.
I agree though that my trade proposals for Andersson are likely too high returns if he is just a rental.
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11-30-2025, 11:06 PM
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#14476
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Is there a possibility the flames could extract more quality in trading Andersson + Coleman together (both at full retention) instead of separately? If we assumed the following typical returns for each player alone:
Andersson: 1st round pick + 3rd round pick + B-level prospect
Coleman: 2nd round pick + 3rd round pick
What should the return be if Andersson + Coleman were packaged together at full retention with the purpose of getting higher quality in return instead of quantity?
Example:
To Andersson (50% retained) + Coleman (50% retained) in exchange for a 1st round pick + A-level prospect.
Flames have lots of quantity in the system so focusing on getting high end prospects could be more important at this stage.
It also helps mitigate some of the risk from the acquiring team. Even if Andersson does not sign an extension with that team, they at least get Coleman for more than just one playoff run.
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12-01-2025, 12:39 AM
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#14477
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This is really just a random thought but I wonder if Anaheim would trade the rights to parekhs junior d partner, Rodwin Dionicio. He's big, was a decent fighter in the O and puts up a ton of points but his skating isn't the best. He was off to a decent start in the A last year before he had a bit of a meltdown and spit at somebody I think. Had his contract terminated and went to Switzerland and is playing there now as is part Swiss.
The flames don't really have a lot of bite in their d prospects coming in beyond phillips who is a long ways out and dionicio would be an interesting guy to take a flyer on. If the ducks would move him for a later pick why not bring him over, he seems to also be putting up decent points over there too. I know that league pays a ton of money but if he has any aspiration to play in the nhl would think he will be back over next year or year after that latest. I think he is still ducks property anyway, though he could be a free agent after they terminated his contract so he could go to europe
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12-01-2025, 01:52 AM
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#14478
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Originally Posted by Matty81
This is really just a random thought but I wonder if Anaheim would trade the rights to parekhs junior d partner, Rodwin Dionicio. He's big, was a decent fighter in the O and puts up a ton of points but his skating isn't the best. He was off to a decent start in the A last year before he had a bit of a meltdown and spit at somebody I think. Had his contract terminated and went to Switzerland and is playing there now as is part Swiss.
The flames don't really have a lot of bite in their d prospects coming in beyond phillips who is a long ways out and dionicio would be an interesting guy to take a flyer on. If the ducks would move him for a later pick why not bring him over, he seems to also be putting up decent points over there too. I know that league pays a ton of money but if he has any aspiration to play in the nhl would think he will be back over next year or year after that latest. I think he is still ducks property anyway, though he could be a free agent after they terminated his contract so he could go to europe
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Eye-popping numbers, but I think there's a good reason he had his contract terminated, and why he wasn't picked up on waivers. Players with his stats and skill usually get a long leash, but they just simply let him go- I think there are serious attitude problems there. He was suspended for spitting on a player just days after coming back from being suspended for something else.
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12-01-2025, 06:50 AM
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#14479
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Originally Posted by dammage79
And it matters what we as fans say more? I'm confused.
Should we just agree with random internet people more than the ones who actually put in the work, know far more about the player than the random scouting blogger or fan?
Okay you win, Potters a winger. Because that's what people told you to think that aren't the ones that drafted him. Congrats.
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Struck a nerve I guess.
All I’m saying is there’s a chance, probably a decent one, Potter isn’t a C at the NHL level. It’s not that unusual for a kid to be drafted as a C and gets moved to the wing. Zary is a good example of this.
It’s great we drafted 3 C’s at last years draft, the Flames needs that but, at this point in time, I think it would be pretty presumptuous for the Flames to write these guys down in sharpie as the next C’s on the team.
I think the C position is still one the Flames need to build. The ‘depth’ you alluded to earlier is still pretty thin in my opinion.
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12-01-2025, 06:55 AM
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#14480
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Originally Posted by Fan69
I keep my expectations low key.
I expect for returns:
Andersson. First. Second. Mid 20’s project player to balance cap. No retention.
Coleman by all rights should be traded. First . Second or Borderline first type prospect. Dont think CC even entertains the trade otherwise unfortunately.
Kadri? First. B+,A- prospect and a solid young roster player. Again dont think CC entertains the trade otherwise.
Dont think kadri gets traded. Andersson will be for sure. Coleman 50/50 i think right now.
Will put a caveat that if a great young center prospect were offered CC would help them pack barring a few exceptions.
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I agree.
I think it would be awfully optimistic to think we’re going to get a first plus a teams top prospect (or one of their top prospects).
Don’t get me wrong, would love to see it but if I’m Montreal, I’m not moving Hage. Especially not for a player older than 26-27. If the show were on the other foot, Flsmes fans would probably lose it.
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