[News] Flames claim Beecher off waivers

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I am not upset we got him, I just think it's pointless when we already have a collection of these spare part players. We already are scratching players like Coronato and Zary because we are too full, so why do we need another player taking up a roster spot?

I understand he plays the 4c role, but it is the same thing with Lomberg and us needing to play him on 4th line. Yes, he is fine but does he really need to play? Just my opinion.

And here I am hoping we put a claim in on Tomasino too lol

I think it’s pretty evident that a trade is imminent for this team and while it might not happen even in the next month you know come January there will be some movement. Having more warm bodies in this situation really doesn’t hurt and I think creating even more competition in the lineup for the Sharangovich, Klapka, Lomberg type players in the lineup isn’t a bad thing and is almost necessary for a team that could potentially be trading as much players as we could be trading this year.

Being bent out of shape over adding a 24 YO, 6’3, 220 lb center who has two almost full seasons under his belt and a damn good percentage in face offs for free is an odd position to take. Nothing to be upset about here, worst case scenario he’s on waivers again, best case scenario we land a player for free who’s in the age range of the young core we are attempting to establish.

Remember when we were all bent out of shape in Johnnys 2nd last year?? When he looked like a shell of his former self but then proceeded to blow our collective flames fan minds with his 115 point season? Am I comparing any of our players to that type of ark or even Johnny himself? I’m not, but what I’m trying to get at is hockey is a strange sport, and if you get the right collection of players teams can do remarkable things. It heartens me to see as a fan, at least from my perspective, that the Flames are and have been establishing an approach to this rebuild (shhhh!!!) an approach that seems to take the the future look of this team past their current season into consideration.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by mile

https://twitter.com/user/status/1990974023845752871

First person in history to be excited to be in Buffalo.

[Southside]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

And here I am hoping we put a claim in on Tomasino too lol

I think it’s pretty evident that a trade is imminent for this team and while it might not happen even in the next month you know come January there will be some movement. Having more warm bodies in this situation really doesn’t hurt and I think creating even more competition in the lineup for the Sharangovich, Klapka, Lomberg type players in the lineup isn’t a bad thing and is almost necessary for a team that could potentially be trading as much players as we could be trading this year.

Being bent out of shape over adding a 24 YO, 6’3, 220 lb center who has two almost full seasons under his belt and a damn good percentage in face offs for free is an odd position to take. Nothing to be upset about here, worst case scenario he’s on waivers again, best case scenario we land a player for free who’s in the age range of the young core we are attempting to establish.

Remember when we were all bent out of shape in Johnnys 2nd last year?? When he looked like a shell of his former self but then proceeded to blow our collective flames fan minds with his 115 point season? Am I comparing any of our players to that type of ark or even Johnny himself? I’m not, but what I’m trying to get at is hockey is a strange sport, and if you get the right collection of players teams can do remarkable things. It heartens me to see as a fan, at least from my perspective, that the Flames are and have been establishing an approach to this rebuild (shhhh!!!) an approach that seems to take the the future look of this team past their current season into consideration.

Yeah, if nothing else, guys that can be flipped at the deadline. If they stick, thats good too.

[Geeoff]

hope he's a good Flame. Decent age anyway

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Divine. No one does it better. Or so the story goes.

His natural position is in net, though. He makes saves no one else can.

[sureLoss]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1991190956205309997

[Strange Brew]

The return of Dave Hindmarch

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The undrafted, 26 year old Sam Morton that was never a point per game in the NCAA, even as a 23 year old, and who put up 45 pts in 70 games in the AHL as a 25 year old?

That Sam Morton?

We're talking about role players here, not guys that might be in the top 6 one day.

Yeah signing an overaged NCAA player doesn't move that player into the same space as a 20 year old former first round pick.

You probably shouldn't make decisions on pecking order by acquisition type, but you certainly shouldn't for a college UFA signing that is 6 years older than other options.

The Flames have a glut of top nine veteran players. They don't have a glut of serviceable fourth line centers.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The return of Dave Hindmarch

Where my head always goes with #18!

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

No downside. Whatever. But if you keep him please move a body out from the bottom six.

Piling up middle-botton six types isnt the way to improvement. We have a glut of those types already.

If he can win face offs and bring physicality then maybe he can help the team start with possession more than it has been.

[shutout]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/681...lames-waivers/

From the Bruins beat writer on the Athletic.

“For me as a new coach, I gave him a new opportunity,” coach Marco Sturm told reporters at Warrior Ice Arena on Tuesday. “Quite frankly, I thought he would be a little bit better, more effective. I thought he wasn’t. At some point, you have to decide to move forward.”

“Consistency. Effort,” Sturm said of Beecher’s issues. “I know it’s not easy being in and out of our lineup. But I have guys just waiting for this moment. End of the day, it’s always up to the player. I wanted him. He had a new voice. He had new, fresh eyes. I didn’t care about his past. It was up to him.”

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Bro isn't going to find any solace here if being in and out of the lineup has made it harder to be at his best lol.

Huska is the king of inconsistent deployment.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Sometimes a coach and a player just don't connect. You say what you want out of Huska - and I don't know Sturm - but Huska is a coach that communicates well. You can see him articulate what he wants to see out of players when people ask him about 'so and so'. He had firsthand experience working with Sutter from that aspect.


So Beecher didn't work out in Buffalo, but sometimes it is more nuanced than the player being crappy. Maybe Sturm didn't communicate well enough? Maybe chemistry wasn't there? Maybe Beecher didn't accept his role then? Or simply a change of scenery is what he needs to light a fire under his butt and really motivate him.


This team can really use a big center that can skate in the bottom 6. Klapka, Bahl and Kuznetsov are all big, but it shrinks after that. Calgary is also a very slow team. Adding some size and speed to the lineup - especially with Pospisil injured - should help out the team, even in a 4th line role. I look forward to seeing Klapka working with a faster center personally.


But let's say that this doesn't work. Maybe Beecher doesn't fit-in, and looks terrible, and the Flames end up waiving him a month later? So what? What's the downside? Kerins isn't a 4th line center. Kirkland isn't a long-term solution. King is probably going to stay the entire year in the AHL developing the right way with maybe some time at the end of the season to see what the NHL is all about. That leaves Morton as the only realistic piece that Beecher's time on the Flames takes away from. It doesn't matter, does it?


It is a great shot in the dark, if nothing else, at adding some size and speed to the Flames. For all we know, he may end up being WAY BETTER than Morton and Kirkland if the Flames show a little patience. Maybe he is way worse. Last I checked, the Flames were last in the league. Probably a good time to throw darts at the wall and audition players both within their own organization, and use the waiver wire to audition interesting players outside the organization.


There is no downside here. I don't get the criticism.

[gvitaly]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1991216812730774019

[3thirty]

Playing with Morton and Klapka so not taking his spot. Lomberg sits.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Sometimes a coach and a player just don't connect. You say what you want out of Huska - and I don't know Sturm - but Huska is a coach that communicates well. You can see him articulate what he wants to see out of players when people ask him about 'so and so'. He had firsthand experience working with Sutter from that aspect.


So Beecher didn't work out in Buffalo, but sometimes it is more nuanced than the player being crappy. Maybe Sturm didn't communicate well enough? Maybe chemistry wasn't there? Maybe Beecher didn't accept his role then? Or simply a change of scenery is what he needs to light a fire under his butt and really motivate him.


This team can really use a big center that can skate in the bottom 6. Klapka, Bahl and Kuznetsov are all big, but it shrinks after that. Calgary is also a very slow team. Adding some size and speed to the lineup - especially with Pospisil injured - should help out the team, even in a 4th line role. I look forward to seeing Klapka working with a faster center personally.


But let's say that this doesn't work. Maybe Beecher doesn't fit-in, and looks terrible, and the Flames end up waiving him a month later? So what? What's the downside? Kerins isn't a 4th line center. Kirkland isn't a long-term solution. King is probably going to stay the entire year in the AHL developing the right way with maybe some time at the end of the season to see what the NHL is all about. That leaves Morton as the only realistic piece that Beecher's time on the Flames takes away from. It doesn't matter, does it?


It is a great shot in the dark, if nothing else, at adding some size and speed to the Flames. For all we know, he may end up being WAY BETTER than Morton and Kirkland if the Flames show a little patience. Maybe he is way worse. Last I checked, the Flames were last in the league. Probably a good time to throw darts at the wall and audition players both within their own organization, and use the waiver wire to audition interesting players outside the organization.


There is no downside here. I don't get the criticism.

I always love the "there's no downside" comments that inevitably come with these moves. There's always a downside and here it is that a guy like Morton, who's done nothing but show he's ready for a shot, gets nixed for the shiny new toy that really has done nothing but underwhelm elsewhere.

Do I have a problem with the move to claim Beecher? Not really. There are many reasons he could work here, but there are just as many for him to continue to fail here as well. I personally think Morton is a better long term option but if both can be worked into regular play moving forward I'm fine with it.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by shutout

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/681...lames-waivers/

From the Bruins beat writer on the Athletic.

Well Sturm sounds like a bit of a dick here honestly.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Southside

He can walk on water. How is his skating?

Jesus is at his best when he is playing on his traditional forward line of The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

[Strange Brew]

Morton has outscored Beecher in the AHL. But he was 3-4 years older while doing so.

[Geordano]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Well Sturm sounds like a bit of a dick here honestly.

Should everyone get a participation trophy?