Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Abacus did a poll by age demographic, and the CPC is more popular with voters under 60. This board just skews to geezers, but the future isn't so bleak for Pierre.

Are we really going to run back to "the conservatives look great in the polls" after the biggest collapse and failure the conservatives have ever had?

Wasn't it just a year ago that the Cons were so proud of their polling and how the Liberals were not even going to have a party after the next election? Then they managed to collapse so hard that they completely missed all of the projections and on top of it PP was kicked out of his multi-decade stronghold riding?

C'mon.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Are we really going to run back to "the conservatives look great in the polls" after the biggest collapse and failure the conservatives have ever had?

Wasn't it just a year ago that the Cons were so proud of their polling and how the Liberals were not even going to have a party after the next election? Then they managed to collapse so hard that they completely missed all of the projections and on top of it PP was kicked out of his multi-decade stronghold riding?

C'mon.

Don’t worry. This time for sure.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by peter12

Haha, that's fine! I don't care! Believe what you want. Seriously, dredging up 15 year old messages from a fairly defunct Calgary Flames message board in order to make a point is hilarious. Yes, you totally got me. I'm a fraud. Who am I anymore? I don't even know.

I don't believe anything.

The fact is your current stance on the subject is the exact opposite of what it once was.
Feel free to explain what changed.
Why do you now believe the exact opposite?
I'll grant that it is both possible, and potentially even quiet commendable that you have reevaluated your position and changed your mind. We should all strive to be able to do that.

So give us a reason to believe that you have a sincere, good faith opinion on the matter rather than just the team sports mentality that you accuse everyone else of.

What has changed other than the side of the floor?

[peter12]

I don’t know, man. It’s 15 years. People change. There’s really nothing to see here.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by peter12

I don’t know, man. It’s 15 years. People change. There’s really nothing to see here.

You think maybe, just maybe, the reason you feel so different about it is because of who is doing it this time?

Maybe asking yourself that question would do you a little good.
Maybe asking yourself that question would give you a little perspective on the fact that you're accusing everyone else playing team sports without even considering that perhaps you are too.

Maybe that will shed a little light on your opinion that PP, a man who seems wholly incapable of introspection, is doing a good job.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by peter12

I don’t know, man. It’s 15 years. People change. There’s really nothing to see here.

And, to be fair and to your credit, you’ve always kind of just been a generic contrarian. You might have accidentally really believed any of these things over the years and had some gusto in your defence or condemnation of them, but at the end of the day I’d be surprised if you really cared a bit about the issues one way or another.

[peter12]

You are correct that there is more pleasure than business in many of posts here. Who doesn’t like a robust debate? Why is everyone so obsessed with being right all the time? I keep my own opinions fairly close to the chest because they are complex and serious. Anyway, if you’re plugging through my old CP posts to get me to come to some kind of reckoning, please get a life. It’s actually depressing to me that someone would spend their time doing something like that.

Touch grass, as they say.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by puckedoff

Abacus did a poll by age demographic, and the CPC is more popular with voters under 60. This board just skews to geezers, but the future isn't so bleak for Pierre.



https://abacusdata.ca/abacus-data-po...ead-of-budget/

so how did he blow a 30 point lead in 3 months? lol

It's effing bleak for the deplorable. Well that is unless he moves to the the kyithole country to the south.

[Titan2]

So... about that budget...?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Titan2

So... about that budget...?

Wait, can someone cross-reference what I said about one of the early Harper budgets so I have standard with which to guide myself?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Don’t worry. This time for sure.

This all stems from a benign comment I made about Canada becoming increasingly difficult to govern from the centre.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Titan2

So... about that budget...?

I read through most of the Tax Applications of the budget and, while the budget is hemorrhaging red ink, I think what they've done in terms of Taxes is actually making the Tax Code even more complicated and going in the wrong direction.

Lowering the lowest Tax Rate is an interesting idea, but it also complicates the application of credits relating to things like Medical and other Tax Credits, it looks as though they've attempted to implement a work-around for that so as not to devalue Tax Credits, but we'll have to see how that works out in Practice.

[Bonded]

Conservatives are cooked as long as they continue to be co-opted by and cater to the far right religious and culture war part of their demographics. O’Toole is the only halfway decent leadership candidate they have put up in recent elections. Institutional failure on their side. An O’Toole like candidate still would have won imo.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Conservatives are cooked as long as they continue to be co-opted by and cater to the far right religious and culture war part of their demographics. O’Toole is the only halfway decent leadership candidate they have put up in recent elections. Institutional failure on their side. An O’Toole like candidate still would have won imo.

Right? And to prove your point, the only reason Canadians ultimately rejected O'Toole is because he unwisely decided to accept the far right religious side of the party. Canadians were like, "ya, #### nope. Not if that's how you are going to be."

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by peter12

You are correct that there is more pleasure than business in many of posts here. Who doesn’t like a robust debate? Why is everyone so obsessed with being right all the time? I keep my own opinions fairly close to the chest because they are complex and serious. Anyway, if you’re plugging through my old CP posts to get me to come to some kind of reckoning, please get a life. It’s actually depressing to me that someone would spend their time doing something like that.

Touch grass, as they say.

Unless you're a total luddite it takes about five minutes to use the search feature and scroll through some posts, that and having a you know.. memory. No one cares about a reckoning it's just funny to see how easily you fold when pressed as holes are poked in your consistency. Devil's advocates looking for robust debates are always kind of little weirdos anyway, Calgarypuck and life in general has never had a problem finding something to argue about so thinking you're bringing something new and interesting to the table always made me chuckle.

Speaking of touching grass have you done that recently? You've never been the most interesting guy but the one thing you had going for you was the ability to push a button or two and you can't even do that properly anymore. Watching you tuck your tail between your legs with a Yikes or an edited post is just sad. The worst part is how obvious it is too, you used to be slightly more subtle. I feel bad for you, genuinely. The last few days have breakdown/self-ban written all over it.

Have you tried joining the military?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Right? And to prove your point, the only reason Canadians ultimately rejected O'Toole is because he unwisely decided to accept the far right religious side of the party. Canadians were like, "ya, #### nope. Not if that's how you are going to be."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/arti...xit-interview/

They could have followed his advice and won

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by peter12

Look, I don't really love Poilievre. I'm just defending aspects of his leadership because the general tone around here is so blatantly partisan that I feel it necessary to insert some kind of balance.

So you don't actually believe he's doing a good job, you are just trying to both sides it.

How pathetic.

[Looch City]

Lol Poileivre is a deplorable #### head who walked hand in hand with Maple MAGA deplorables.

Deplorable to the very core.

[peter12]

Maple MAGA is maybe the most braindead thing I have ever heard.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

LOL, he's not.

He hasn't managed to change any legislation or policy, he turned a 30% advantage into a defeat last election and he is inches away from putting the Liberals into a stronger position than under Trudeau if he loses any more MPs to them.

Originally Posted by peter12

This is just factually incorrect. Blatantly.

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Show your work.

Originally Posted by peter12

axe the tax axe the tax axe the tax

This exchange actually made me laugh out loud. The confidence and swagger of peter's first reply with the limp dick impotence of his second. You're 100% getting the passive-aggressive defeated thanks from him on your post for that GioforPM.