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Old 11-02-2025, 09:34 AM   #4401
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Starting with Barger's at bat, but more so Kirk's, every pitch could have won the series for either team. I don't know when that last happened and I don't know that I will ever see that happen again. Sports at its best, and worst. That's what I'll remember
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Old 11-02-2025, 09:39 AM   #4402
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My heart has taken so much joy over the years from the Leafs various playoff implosions. The only thing in sports that makes me happier is watching the Oilers lose.

I’m also a casual baseball fan at best. I doubt I watched 30 total innings in the season, caught Jays in 30 a few times, that was it.

And I’m absolutely gutted right now. I was awake for hours thinking about it, in disbelief, and as the dawn breaks, I still don’t want to read the coverage.

This was a special team, and it sure felt like their destiny, but it wasn’t to be. I’ll also freely admit that I’m a pessimist, at best. I tend to look at losses, and look for someone to blame. Some posts I made earlier in the thread would confirm that. But, not for this one. It was just an unfathomable series of events, and the Jays didn’t get a single break go their way.

The Jays didn’t get beat, they just couldn’t find a way to win it.

It’s got to be in the top 5 of heartbreaking game 7 losses. It’s just haunting.
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Old 11-02-2025, 09:42 AM   #4403
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I haven't seen a replay but I still think the pitch before the trying homerun should have been called a strike.
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Old 11-02-2025, 09:47 AM   #4404
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Varsho I also up who hasn’t hit an opposite field hit since 2020

You aren’t getting doubled up on a line drive to the 1B or 2B
Yup, it's easy to see with hindsight, but it literally needed to be a line drive to within 1 meter of 3rd. Muncy needs to make the catch and then find the bag. This would probably be a weird thing to think, but in that scenario you dive back to the bag...if the ball goes through you can easily get back up and run home in time. And really any ball in the air you should be hedging back to the bag until you know
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Old 11-02-2025, 09:48 AM   #4405
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It terms of the what ifs, and the ghost runner in regular season makes it happen a lot, and was discussed in game 6 also (if the ball didn't get lodged) but is the best answer the bunt, with man on second and nobody out? I know it was brought up here too, when it happened.
Do you prefer 3 guys with a chance to hit and score from second, or two guys (one who could sacrifice) to score the guy from 3rd. It's baseball, so I know the correct answer is the decision that works is the right one. So maybe that was the wrong one. Had Bo still been in the game there would have been no sacrifice.

I'll stop now. This a 'debate' best left for another day.
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Old 11-02-2025, 09:51 AM   #4406
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I had really hoped this version of the jays would help change baseball back to a more dynamic, small ball game. But the loss last night shows why the game will always hunt power. In the jays case they need 3-4 things to go right to score a single run their way. It worked so much this season, but against super ace pitching it’s a tough ask.

As for the dodgers, with all the power they have it was just one swing and boom a run.

I feel like once the pressure was fully on the jays, they just couldn’t execute. What a heartbreaker to watch, I turned it off the second the throw was made to first and I just can’t watch a single replay or interview right now.
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Old 11-02-2025, 09:55 AM   #4407
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I haven't watched baseball in years, but I love all of the changes they've made to the game. Pitch clock is awesome and PitchCom is really cool. They do challenges quickly and efficiently (tbf it is usually a very simple and objective thing to review). Also love 3 batters per relief pitcher.

So there is really zero reason to not have a robot ump.
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Old 11-02-2025, 10:04 AM   #4408
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With respect to the robot umps, I guess Kirk becomes less desirable in relation to pitch framing. Perhaps when teams exhaust their checks in a game that skill is useful but generally speaking it may not help our own pitchers if an ump calls a ball and the pitcher thinks it's a strike and challenges based on Kirk's positioning. So that strategic advantage may be gone. Robot umps will be good though. Way too many bad calls this year affecting both sides.
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Old 11-02-2025, 10:05 AM   #4409
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Stamps lose, Flames lose, Jays lose - but we've got one more chance to feel good this weekend. All aboard the Cavalry bandwagon for their playoff game today.
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Old 11-02-2025, 10:07 AM   #4410
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You knew it was over when people were already jinxed it looking ahead and writing stuff like this days ago lol.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...mp-white-house

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Old 11-02-2025, 10:19 AM   #4411
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Robot umps will be nice to a degree, but the issue is how many obvious calls get missed in games. Any given game and there are anywhere from 5-15 clear balls/strikes that get missed. If it was only the borderline pitches where it would need to be used that'd be one thing, but it seems like it's gonna be used way too often for pitches the umps should just get right, especially in the playoffs.
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Old 11-02-2025, 10:28 AM   #4412
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Still sucks this morning but honestly mostly just because I feel bad for the team. Very likeable group and they will re-live this for the rest of their lives.

If we are going crazy over every little moment just imagine how IKF, Kirk, Bieber, Hoffman, etc all feel today

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Old 11-02-2025, 10:33 AM   #4413
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Devastated. I would have preferred getting blown out. We could taste that one and ripped away mercilessly.

The salt on the wound is it feels like this was their shot; this was the second oldest team in baseball. Some core pieces intact but also so many holes to fill in free agency. Maybe with some of the expiring contracts (Straw, etc) they can bring back an even better team, but it’s hard to see right now.

I would like to see them do what it takes to bring back Bo, ideally at 2B.
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Old 11-02-2025, 11:15 AM   #4414
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If the plan is to continue to carry the 2nd highest payroll in the AL, this team will remain a contender as long as that is the case.
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Old 11-02-2025, 11:26 AM   #4415
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It’s 1/2 day later I’m still taking it bad. We were so close, yet so far. We let them back in the game numerous times and could never close the game at home. Going 1-3 at home is inexcusable. Our baserunning was lackluster, and we had 14 LOB. It would’ve never been close if we got people home.

My fandom for baseball had taken a toll over the years. Don’t know if you call me a fair weather fan for that or not. But once we started winning early in the season, I’m so glad I stuck around and religiously watched the Jays. I enjoyed the many come back games we won and the naysayers all around the league continuously talking down the Jays and their success. From the Yankees to the Mariners to the Dodgers. We conquered every player in Judge, Raleigh, and Ohtani. Other Dodger players came in and stepped up. Props to them for that. We lost on solo shots, we contained them well when they had runners on base. Absolutely gutting that we were 2 outs away from slaying the Dodgers.

I have high hopes for upcoming seasons. Have to hold up our heads high for what we were able to accomplish. I’ll see you all in April.
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Old 11-02-2025, 11:29 AM   #4416
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If the plan is to continue to carry the 2nd highest payroll in the AL, this team will remain a contender as long as that is the case.
AL also isn't very strong right now, even if the Jays regress a little they should still comfortably be a playoff team next year. But even if they make the playoffs the next 10 years in a row it's gonna be hard to have a better look than this series. They had the World Series winning run at the plate in three separate innings and got within two outs on the mound once.
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Old 11-02-2025, 11:35 AM   #4417
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They calculated that the Jays in Game 6 and 7 brought the World Series winning run up to the plate 14 times

I think the previous record for a losing team was 4 by Cleveland in 2016
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Old 11-02-2025, 11:38 AM   #4418
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They calculated that the Jays in Game 6 and 7 brought the World Series winning run up to the plate 14 times

I think the previous record for a losing team was 4 by Cleveland in 2016
Sounds about right. Seems like almost everything about this run was historic. Even the bad parts.

I’m not even sure what I would call it. Is it a choke job? A collapse? I’m not sure if either of those feel right. The least clutch World Series team of all time? Is there a term for that? The most Toronto team of all time?

Even then we have to ignore the ALCS because in the ALCS they were nothing but clutch.
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Old 11-02-2025, 11:39 AM   #4419
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Absolute emotional rollercoaster. I am not well, but with time this will pass. Objectively that may have been the best world series ever, at least in my lifetime. But that doesn't make this sting any less.

At the start of the series I didn't really think there was a way I could be heartbroken or disappointed. it felt like we were playing with house money after the insane comeback against the Mariners. And against the powerhouse dodgers, I was pretty much just happy to be here. The baseball gods were like "hold my beer" and then proceeded to spit in our faces time after time and ultimately gave us the ultimate knife twist.

I've never felt this type of heartbreak from sports before. The Flames in '04 is the closest I can compare to, but this far surpasses that for me. Firstly, because for me baseball means a little more. its my number 1. hockey a distant 2nd. But also, in 2004 we didnt have a game 7 that went like this. That whole game felt like an uphill climb. This one was in our grasp multiple times and it took many many improbable events to fall the Dodgers way for us to lose. I haven't seen the math yet on all the events combined but I am guessing it has to be about a 1/1000 chance that we lose game 6 and 7 the way we did. I bet if you run those scenarios again we win it almost every single time.

Today is the 5 year anniversary of my Dad's passing, and we are doing a memorial dinner for him tonight. It would have been such a cool experience to have the Jays win to celebrate too (he was a huge Jays fan). When they showed on the broadcast the clock pass midnight, with the Jays having a chance to win it all - I definitely felt like it was going to happen as it was now offically "the day of" and meant to be. This is a crushing feeling that I don't quite know how to navigate yet.

This whole season and subsequent World Series really felt like a movie, up to and including the end. I'm not sure what to take from this, but I can be certain that I will remember it for the rest of my life.

A sports loss is the definition of a 1st world problem. Why does it sting so much?
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Old 11-02-2025, 11:41 AM   #4420
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It’s incomprehensible how heartbreaking this is. The ways and times victory was ripped by the jaws of defeat was astonishing. Truly wasn’t meant to be despite the overwhelming feeling the Bluejays deserved to win. Not much to say other than I hope we get back again soon. there are pieces still in place and valuable experience gained and Roger’s has the resources and hopefully now the motivation to add to that this offseason.
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