Ostriches

[puffnstuff]

A stay is not a win in court, its a pause. I havent looked but appears like that pause has run out.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

A stay is not a win in court, its a pause. I havent looked but appears like that pause has run out.

The stay was just issued this past week.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

A stay is not a win in court, its a pause. I havent looked but appears like that pause has run out.

There is no pause if there is no question. I never said it's a win but clearly their is some legal questioning here that the SC is on board with.

[puffnstuff]

I see that, but deciding the SC is on your side because of a stay is a leap. A stay is usually just for time so lawyers can prepare briefs and arguments.

Instead of the farms facebook maybe read an actual news source, i just did, quite informative.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...iner-1.7644796

[dissentowner]

Not one of those opposed to my views and concerns has given me one good reason why the farm can't have the birds retested. Even university scientists are saying it would be beneficial to do so. And no, because CFIA has an order to cull them and has made this is a personal grudge that isn't even about the remains birds but is about them not looking bad is not a legit rebuttal.

[Codes]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

The Supreme Court gave them a stay so clearly you have zero idea wtf you are even babbling about when you say every level of court. Until you educate yourself perhaps you should sit this one out instead of looking like a fool.

Yes, the Supreme Court gave a stay to 1) decide if they will even hear the case and 2) if they decide to hear the case, provide a ruling. And in all likelihood, the outcome will be the same as what the lower courts have already stated.

Both the Federal Court and Federal Court of Appeal have sided with the CFIA.

I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It matters to me because when a branch of government says this is what's happening and even if you can prove a reason it shouldn't that is too bad, we have I'll do it anyhow. That's how you start becoming what the States is becoming. When a government branch says this is what we are doing, you can't challenge if it's right that's a damn slippery slope to go down. When the government says they have to do the cull and you can't do we don't have to compensate you that is even scarier.

They entered a regulated industry, ignored the rules they agreed to abide by, and now you are taking their word over the experts we pay to keep us safe. Explain the logic here. They are currently violating the rights of Canadians to be kept safe by the agencies we wisely have to do that. Ignoring that and claiming individual rights trounce society is how you get the US.


And the Supreme Court stay doesn't legally indicate they are right, stop pretending it does.

[puffnstuff]

From the link

Angela Rasmussen, a professor and researcher of virology at the University of Saskatchewan, said even if the farm's surviving birds were tested, older ostriches often do not develop antibodies against viruses like avian#flu, meaning the tests cannot reliably determine whether or not the birds have immunity to H5N1.

"Simply having antibodies does not guarantee immunity to H5N1," Rasmussen told#CBC#News.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

I see that, but deciding the SC is on your side because of a stay is a leap. A stay is usually just for time so lawyers can prepare briefs and arguments.

Instead of the farms facebook maybe read an actual news source, i just did, quite informative.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...iner-1.7644796

Yes, read the whole thing. Now give me a reason why the CFIA is threatening legal action if the owners have their birds tested. Why are science experts saying testing the birds would be scientifically beneficial ? Again, let them test the birds, if they fail then go ahead and cull them. Give me a valid reason against testing them.

[Codes]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Not one of those opposed to my views and concerns has given me one good reason why the farm can't have the birds retested. Even university scientists are saying it would be beneficial to do so. And no, because CFIA has an order to cull them and has made this is a personal grudge that isn't even about the remains birds but is about them not looking bad is not a legit rebuttal.

I have already told you why several times.

The cull order was issued, any subsequent testing is irrelevant. It sets a precedent that imperils the ability if the CFIA from doing it's job in a timely fashion.

In my opinion, it is that simple.

Scientifically, it would be very interesting re-test the ostriches. But sadly, this is not a science experiment and we shouldn't allow it to masquerade as one.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

From the link

Angela Rasmussen, a professor and researcher of virology at the University of Saskatchewan, said even if the farm's surviving birds were tested, older ostriches often do not develop antibodies against viruses like avian#flu, meaning the tests cannot reliably determine whether or not the birds have immunity to H5N1.

"Simply having antibodies does not guarantee immunity to H5N1," Rasmussen told#CBC#News.

Ok, does any bird have immunity to H5N1? Should we cull all birds? Test the birds for the flu, if they are not carrying it why are you destroying them? If the argument is they must be destroyed because they are not immune to HSN1 that's ridiculous.

[White Out 403]

If this farm knew they had bird flu, and didn't report it and didn't cull their birds, #### them, they should be seeing jail time. Didn't these #######s learn anything from covid? Man #### these people and, while we're at, #### the people defending this behaviour too.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Codes

I have already told you why several times.

The cull order was issued, any subsequent testing is irrelevant. It sets a precedent that imperils the ability if the CFIA from doing it's job in a timely fashion.

In my opinion, it is that simple.

Ahh I see, so in the States you are one of those guys that would support a fascist regime because they make the rules and give the orders and orders must be followed! Ya, you are not worth arguing with at all.

[Codes]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ahh I see, so in the States you are one of those guys that would support a fascist regime because they make the rules and give the orders and orders must be followed! Ya, you are not worth arguing with at all.

Alternatively, I believe in policies that support practices that enhance the safety of my fellow person, as well all other animal species that are susceptible to infection by avian influenza and any high-consequence pathogens.

If this is what you are taking from this discussion, I'm sorry.

[puffnstuff]

The farm is the only side saying they have been threatened with fines or arrest about testing, they are not a reliable source of information on that. And I will refer to the quote from the scientist about testing not really being an indicator of immunity.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, why was no local ducks culled? That never happened. Hey, want to explain again why the farm should not be allowed to test their birds?

Because they were wild ducks. It’s an ineffective method to prevent bird flu because of distance traveled.

I’m okay with the concept of the Ostriches living after being shown to not have bird flu.

The farm just needs to be shuttered and the people charged with failing to report bird flu and never allowed to operate a poultry operation ever again.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Codes

Alternatively, I believe in policies that support practices that enhance the safety of my fellow person, as well all other animal species that are susceptible to infection by avian influenza and any high-consequence pathogen.

If this is what you are taking from this discussion, I'm sorry.

That is not what you are arguing at all. You said the birds should not be tested because the full order was given, not because they may have avian flu which they can't possibly have it the herd would be dead by now. So the flock is no threat to anyone's safety unless you are arguing they could still someday contract at. If that's your argument then your stance is all birds need to be destroyed because they found represent a possible threat to people. So which is it?

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by GGG

Because they were wild ducks. It’s an ineffective method to prevent bird flu because of distance traveled.

I’m okay with the concept of the Ostriches living after being shown to not have bird flu.

The farm just needs to be shuttered and the people charged with failing to report bird flu and never allowed to operate a poultry operation ever again.

I can agree with that. They should have reported it and they should face a heavy penalty for not doing so.

[Locke]

Just so long as we leave The Ginger and Boots out of this!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I can agree with that. They should have reported it and they should face a heavy penalty for not doing so.

So after there failure to report the bird flu and refusal to follow a cull order and be compensated for there losses do you believe anything the farm is saying.

Why are you posting their information inverted after their reckless behaviour.