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Old 08-07-2025, 02:35 PM   #7161
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He’d still be a year out with a three year deal.
You are correct - I had thought he would be 27 at the end of a 3 year contract be he will only be 26.
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Old 08-07-2025, 02:54 PM   #7162
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I see while I had neglected to refresh that HLM made all my arguments better than me, lol. Stankoven > Zary, and I actually find it strange that Enoch used the injuries to justify the extended development timeline... that's a negative on Zary's value ultimately.
It's not a negative, it is simply time lost.

At this point, the one year age difference is almost meaningless. ANd I couldn't care less if Stankoven's AHL numbers a re a little better. The sizer difference is a better factor at this point.

Coronato, Stankoven, and Zary are all very comparable players - people can choose who like better, but they are all on the same tier at this point.
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Old 08-07-2025, 02:57 PM   #7163
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Stankoven would go in the 1st round in a redraft, I feel like the "pedigree" is overstated. Stanky's WHL numbers are better than Zary.
Size, yeah, but Zary doesn't really use his anyways so I am not sure it really separates them in value.

Stankoven is also a year younger, and has better AHL numbers.
I think the point is they aren't that far apart though at the NHL level.

Similar pedigree, similar games played.

If Stankoven is worth 8 x $6M, and Coronato is 7 x $6.5, then it's safe to say 7 or 8 years for $5.5M to $6M would be a fair value long term deal for Zary.

And I'd be fine with the Flames making that bet.
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Old 08-07-2025, 03:00 PM   #7164
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It's not a negative, it is simply time lost.

At this point, the one year age difference is almost meaningless. ANd I couldn't care less if Stankoven's AHL numbers a re a little better. The sizer difference is a better factor at this point.

Coronato, Stankoven, and Zary are all very comparable players - people can choose who like better, but they are all on the same tier at this point.
Time lost is a negative to Zary. It probably makes it so he doesn’t get the same AAV as Coronato, assuming the same term was signed. I think Stankoven is a great comparable for Zary in terms of point production.

Either you take the 8 year, 6m AAV deal or bet on yourself and get a Perfetti-like bridge (3.25m x 2).

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Old 08-07-2025, 03:10 PM   #7165
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It's not a negative, it is simply time lost.

At this point, the one year age difference is almost meaningless. ANd I couldn't care less if Stankoven's AHL numbers a re a little better. The sizer difference is a better factor at this point.

Coronato, Stankoven, and Zary are all very comparable players - people can choose who like better, but they are all on the same tier at this point.
I disagree with your assessment of Zary/Stankoven, but I can see that we are at an impasse. The AHL numbers at the least show the ability to perform against men, so invalidate some of the size argument.

I actually agree with your last comment, but probably in the exact opposite sense as you. I think we are pumping too much hope into Coronato right now. I hope that he steps up in a big way this season.
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Old 08-07-2025, 03:14 PM   #7166
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It's not a negative, it is simply time lost.

At this point, the one year age difference is almost meaningless. ANd I couldn't care less if Stankoven's AHL numbers a re a little better. The sizer difference is a better factor at this point.

Coronato, Stankoven, and Zary are all very comparable players - people can choose who like better, but they are all on the same tier at this point.
I think size is next to negligible when it comes to Zary's value. It's not like he uses whatever size he has.

I would wager it's near unanimous across the league that Stankoven is the better/more coveted player.
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Old 08-07-2025, 03:29 PM   #7167
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Not sure if it was the constant harassment from a handful of accounts that irritate a lot of people on this forum or the disclosure that someone continues to take this info and throw it on Twitter but I do understand where Sec is possibly coming from (who knows maybe it so completely unrelated?)

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This is why we can't have fun or nice things. Always has to be someone pissing on the parade.
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Not X stuff. (dgaf)
Not the haters. (Dgaf)

I’ll still be on CP, doing my own thing talking about how much I hate Huberdeau or how I want to tank commander 5 star general but don’t be looking for any scoops of ice cream.

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