Israel declares war on Hamas

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Jesus this situation is so depressing. Its shameful Western nations support it.

What can we do as Canadians to get our government to do something meaningful?

The reality is that there is nothing we can legally do that will get our government to do anything meaningful.

[activeStick]

Funny enough, saw on the ticker of a TV as I walked by it earlier today that Canada apparently is and has been continuing to allow arms shipments to Israel to aid in their murdering spree of women and children in Gaza.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/arm...nada-1.7596091

The government of Canada is adamant — with certain, shifting caveats — that it has not allowed arms shipments to Israel since January 2024, and yet Israeli import data and publicly available shipping records appear to contradict that claim.

The data was uncovered by a group of researchers from four NGOs: World Beyond War, the Palestinian Youth Movement, Canadians for Justice and Peace in the Middle East and Independent Jewish Voices.

They found entries in the database of the Israel Tax Authority that show Canadian goods continuing to enter Israel, described by the Israeli government as military weapon parts and ammunition.

Israel and Canada, like most countries, use the same Harmonized System (HS) customs codes to describe goods.

An entry for April 2025 shows the importation from Canada into Israel of 175,000 units of the HS category defined by Canada as "Bombs, grenades, torpedoes, mines, missiles and similar munitions of war and parts thereof; cartridges and other ammunition and projectiles and parts thereof, including shot and cartridge wads."

[GullFoss]

Heart breaking story from American soldier working the aid sites.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1950035952321138832

[Looch City]

Children are Hamas, don't you know?

[Fuzz]

The "it's not a genocide" crowd sure has gotten quiet. Hopefully reflecting on what led them to ignore reality for so long.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

The "it's not a genocide" crowd sure has gotten quiet. Hopefully reflecting on what led them to ignore reality for so long.

They'll still say it's not a genocide. They rationalize it by saying the operation is simply necessary for the future security of Israel.

With the West supporting the eradication of Palestinians from Gaza, Israel has the green light to simply wipe them off the face of the earth and justify it saying attacks on Israel have come from Gaza.

If CP is around in 25 years, we'll be talking about this exact same eradication in the West Bank.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

They'll still say it's not a genocide. They rationalize it by saying the operation is simply necessary for the future security of Israel.

With the West supporting the eradication of Palestinians from Gaza, Israel has the green light to simply wipe them off the face of the earth and justify it saying attacks on Israel have come from Gaza.

If CP is around in 25 years, we'll be talking about this exact same eradication in the West Bank.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they moved on West Bank much, much sooner than that.

[ThePrince]

Common Mark Carney W

Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney said Canada will recognize Palestine as a state in September at the United Nations General Assembly, joining the United Kingdom and France.

“The deepening suffering of civilians leaves no room for delay in co-ordinated international action to support peace, security, and the dignity of all human life," Carney said in a statement Wednesday.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/can...nited-kingdom/

[CroFlames]

####ing finally. Happy to have common-sense Mark Carney at the helm.

[activeStick]

Some will ask rhetorically what recognizing Palestine as a state actually does, which is fair, but technically, it would allow them to finally pursue legal action against Israel for violations to their territory based on it being an official state. And yes, Israel, like the US, would just brush any decisions by the ICJ off as it being Hamas or some sort of corrupt institution (perhaps even threaten to invade the Hague, like the US did), and then ignore, but the more Israel and the US do these things and show their hypocracy, when at other times they call for the same institution to action against nations that aren't in their circle, the more the rest of the civilized world will realize that these two countries are not out there for fairness among all nations. This outcome is a good thing.

[MrButtons]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

####ing finally. Happy to have common-sense Mark Carney at the helm.

I don't think the NP agrees with your assesment. Shocking, I know.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/mic...s-on-palestine

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...rney-palestine

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

I don't think the NP agrees with your assesment. Shocking, I know.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/mic...s-on-palestine

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...rney-palestine

They are really hammering home the principle of good journalism, which seems to be "ignore all the bits you don't like, and focus on convincing your readers the tripe you are communicating is more truthful than the actual statement and words from our very own Prime Minister."


It's insidious, but I guess it works well enough for them to profit from.

[MrButtons]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

They are really hammering home the principle of good journalism, which seems to be "ignore all the bits you don't like, and focus on convincing your readers the tripe you are communicating is more truthful than the actual statement and words from our very own Prime Minister."


It's insidious, but I guess it works well enough for them to profit from.

Given the comments, they know their readers well.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by MrButtons

Given the comments, they know their readers well.

I draw the line at crossing into the NP comments section. My faith in humanity is already low enough.

[GullFoss]

I don't read the NP. It's owned by US private equity that is a major donor to Donald trump and the editorial slant reflects that. It's actually deeply offensive that we allowed the sale of major media institution to the US to effectively run propaganda to Canadians.

[mogg]

I see the print version of the Herald/NP almost every day and I have never, not once, seen an image of a suffering Palestinian or close-up of a town reduced to rubble. Just images of resolute-looking IDF soldiers and the odd hostage protest. Stories about the region read like they were written by the Israeli government. It was s###e when Conrad Black founded it and it’s s###e now. It’s so embarrassing that it’s the “paper of record” around here.

[activeStick]

Video covering the investigation around the deliberate targeting and shooting of children in Gaza by Israel. Includes a clip of the IDF instructing the soldiers to shoot anyone they see.

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/cjelp738zd7o

[Fuzz]

https://bsky.app/profile/jesseduquet.../3lvcekjz7nc2h

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by mogg

I see the print version of the Herald/NP almost every day and I have never, not once, seen an image of a suffering Palestinian or close-up of a town reduced to rubble. Just images of resolute-looking IDF soldiers and the odd hostage protest. Stories about the region read like they were written by the Israeli government. It was s###e when Conrad Black founded it and it’s s###e now. It’s so embarrassing that it’s the “paper of record” around here.

I think the editorial stance of the Globe and Mail, which is a legit journalistic institution and Canada's paper of record, to be more interesting.

The editorial group there seems to be avoiding calling it a genocide, white-washes the war crimes, continues to push the "what about Hamas" narrative, and is actually taking a critical stance against Canada's recognition of Palestine.

Possibilities:
1) wants to limit impacts of genocide coverage to limit anti-Semitism in Canada
2) Government is asking them to be quiet
3) Thompson family doesn't want to get into conflict vis-a-vis trump, clients and/or investors

It's very curious what's going on there

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

I think the editorial stance of the Globe and Mail, which is a legit journalistic institution and Canada's paper of record, to be more interesting.

The editorial group there seems to be avoiding calling it a genocide, white-washes the war crimes, continues to push the "what about Hamas" narrative, and is actually taking a critical stance against Canada's recognition of Palestine.

Possibilities:
1) wants to limit impacts of genocide coverage to limit anti-Semitism in Canada
2) Government is asking them to be quiet
3) Thompson family doesn't want to get into conflict vis-a-vis trump, clients and/or investors

It's very curious what's going on there

Seeing literally the first headline this morning on G&M with the first picture being "A Palestinian girl carries a container of water amid shortages in Deir al-Balah Tuesday.", along with an opinion piece from a Jewish Canadian speaking about the horrors in Gaza as the 2nd, I don't see how you can come to that conclusion unless you are actively pushing a certain narrative.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/worl...-gaza-through/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...out-about-the/

As for the word "genocide" no article will say that word unless it is quoted shouldn't come as a surprise. Not too different from the CBC and attributing "terrorism" to Hamas (who I believe also isn't using the word genocide except when quoted or attributed to an official statement).

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/con...licy-1.6997926

Canada has also officially not declared it a genocide at this time.