Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cracher

Does Bettman/18-A have any teeth?

If all parties are down, there is nothing wrong with running a train or spanking. The days of issuing a schedule of acceptable activities in the bedroom are long, long gone and I cannot fathom this being in the jurisdiction of an employer.

A guy just got fired for being caught in an affair. An idiot who "debated" Mehdi Hasan and called himself an authoritarian got fired because he looked dumb. A lawyer in town was forced to resign from his firm because he sent a crude and distasteful non-work email that got into the public eye. People are fired over social media posts all the time. All of these acts were legal.

And despite the fact they were acquitted, one of the parties says she was not "down".

[Macindoc]

I like the NHL’s initial response. Regardless of the legality of the players’ actions, they are not a credit to the league. There was a massive power imbalance between the players and EM, and regardless of whether consent was given, I question the ethics of engaging in sexual acts in situations in which the power imbalance is so profound.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by flamesfan1297

Still no response or comment from Rick Westhead, I'm interested in hearing what he has to say after the Not Guilty verdict. He hasn't even mentioned that the verdict is Not Guilty, which suprises me seeing as how involved/interested he was in this case. I'm sure it didn't go the way he was expecting or hoping

WTF is with the attempted vilification of Westhead?

He reported on the verdict today with an extensive article:
https://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/fiv...rial-1.2338763

It was really easy to find too!

Rick Westhead is a reporter. He reports on things. He's not a commentator nor a columnist. He's a reporter. Do you understand what the job of a reporter is?

Oh and look on that link I shared he also speaks!

Did you even try to find his report on this? You said you were "interestd in hearing what he had to say" but you sure didn't seem interested enough to perform a basic google search or check TSN (where he works)

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

WTF is with the attempted vilification of Westhead?

He was mean because he... reported on something and owes people an apology for... reporting.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Oh look he also spoke on CTV!

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video/2025/07...ockey-culture/

Boy he was sure saying a lot of things for a guy that had "no comments"

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Oh look he also spoke on CTV!

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video/2025/07...ockey-culture/

Boy he was sure saying a lot of things for a guy that had "no comments"

Stop defending this man who did this awful thing of... reporting. How dare you. He reported on this and deserves to be maligned for... reporting.

[Jiri Hrdina]

The whole concept of actual objective investigative reporting is going away. It is so rare now. So let's attack the few remaining actual reporters to make sure we drive a final nail in the coffin of what remains of the media.

One of you clowns that seems to be blaming him for....something...please provide specific examples where Westhead did anything other than report facts.
Specifics.
ACTUAL SPECIFICS.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

A team would sign them the day after the NHL cleared them.

possibly one in Alberta whose name doesn't start with C who think 'moral terpitude' is latin for 'cap relief'

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

WTF is with the attempted vilification of Westhead?

He reported on the verdict today with an extensive article:
https://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/fiv...rial-1.2338763

It was really easy to find too!

Rick Westhead is a reporter. He reports on things. He's not a commentator nor a columnist. He's a reporter. Do you understand what the job of a reporter is?

Oh and look on that link I shared he also speaks!

Did you even try to find his report on this? You said you were "interestd in hearing what he had to say" but you sure didn't seem interested enough to perform a basic google search or check TSN (where he works)

This anti westhead stuff comes from the brainwashing that’s happening to discredit how important media is in democratic societies. If not for Westhead and mainstream media, this story wouldnt have got out there and the public wouldn’t have know that hockey Canada has spent millions to sweep this and other similar or worse incidents under the carpet.

Regardless of the verdict or your perspective on the incident, the public scrutiny from the media reports about hockey Canada’s decisions, as well as the player and EMs decisions is good for us to hear and debate. It allows us to form opinions on our own and hopefully educate our kids to make our society a fairer, more transparent and just place.

Sure, media get things wrong a lot and can focus on unimportant things at times, and members of the public can get stupid with cancel culture because they don’t think rationally or about the big picture, but publicizing these things is important. The potential for actions to become public through media or other avenues can make people think twice about doing something.

Media will always be a central part of a healthy democracy. It’s why historically dictatorships have sought to undermine and eliminate a free media and impose their own propaganda in its place. And it’s why we should support free media and fight like hell against the concept of “fake news” even when it’s being used to discredit things we don’t like to hear.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

This anti westhead stuff comes from the brainwashing that’s happening to discredit how important media is in democratic societies. If not for Westhead and mainstream media, this story wouldnt have got out there and the public wouldn’t have know that hockey Canada has spent millions to sweep this and other similar or worse incidents under the carpet.

Regardless of the verdict or your perspective on the incident, the public scrutiny from the media reports about hockey Canada’s decisions, as well as the player and EMs decisions is good for us to hear and debate. It allows us to form opinions on our own and hopefully educate our kids to make our society a fairer, more transparent and just place.

Sure, media get things wrong a lot and can focus on unimportant things at times, and members of the public can get stupid with cancel culture because they don’t think rationally or about the big picture, but publicizing these things is important. The potential for actions to become public through media or other avenues can make people think twice about doing something.

Media will always be a central part of a healthy democracy. It’s why historically dictatorships have sought to undermine and eliminate a free media and impose their own propaganda in its place. And it’s why we should support free media and fight like hell against the concept of “fake news” even when it’s being used to discredit things we don’t like to hear.

Like Trudeau?

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Like Trudeau?

wat

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by SutterBrother

So they took a video of her because they wanted to prove they had consent.

But taking that video shows they knew they were doing something wrong (otherwise, why would they need a video "proving" she consented?)

Consent videos were a thing among elite athletes before the hockey players in this case took them. Athletes take them with the intent of protecting themselves.

The defendants, now aged 25 to 27, came of age during a turbulent period of prominent revelations of sexual violence by formerly esteemed figures. For many athletes from that era, a perception emerged that they were targets due to their fame and/or wealth and that steps and strategies had to be adopted to head off false allegations. In response, athletes sought digital indemnifiers. From “sex contracts” to strategic sexting to so-called “consent videos,” more and more athletes are creating digital footprints of their sexual encounters.

“There’s been a series of events, or cascade of things, leading to cultural change … this mindset or sentiment among some who fear accusations because they think that false accusations are common,” said Kristen Jozkowski, a sexual violence expert and researcher at Indiana University in Bloomington...

In 2009, Apple unveiled its iPhone 3GS, the first model with both photo and video recording capabilities. Visual evidence of sexual encounters became more ubiquitous, in the form of both agreed-upon sex tapes and secret voyeuristic recordings. In 2013, Roxanne Jones, former vice president of ESPN, penned an op-ed for CNN titled “Young men, get a ‘yes’ text before sex.’”

“I’ve actually been encouraging my son and his friends to use sexting — minus the lewd photos — to protect themselves from being wrongly accused of rape,” Jones wrote about her college-aged son. “Because just as damning text messages and Facebook posts helped convict the high schoolers in Steubenville of rape, technology can also be used to prove innocence.”

Said Jozkowski: “There’s at least over 10 years of initiatives, as well as individuals who have sort of attempted to implement this kind of technique of ‘I’m going to record a video on my phone. … I’m going to record you saying you’re consenting and I’m consenting, and then we have this sort of record to verify our consent. That way, neither of us can say rape later on.’”

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/629...gital-consent/

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

He’s either the most loving or most gullible man on the planet. Maybe both

I'll tell ya one thing. If I found out my fiancée willingly cheated on me . She's no longer in the picture and before people get too upset with me it's at least clear that she at least consented to the first sexual encounter .

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by flamesfan1297

Still no response or comment from Rick Westhead, I'm interested in hearing what he has to say after the Not Guilty verdict. He hasn't even mentioned that the verdict is Not Guilty, which suprises me seeing as how involved/interested he was in this case. I'm sure it didn't go the way he was expecting or hoping

You're a moron.

[SutterBrother]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Consent videos were a thing among elite athletes before the hockey players in this case took them. Athletes take them with the intent of protecting themselves.

Thanks, not something I had ever heard of before. I guess it's good legal advice. Although it raises the specter of "assault proofing" a subsequent attack.

[GioforPM]

CBC had some legal commentators this morning - they do identify some problematic areas of the decision. For example, the judge refused to consider the cumulative effect of the sheer number of (uninvited) men in the room. She treated each act as a separate incident with a separate guy without looking at the situation as a whole. And the effect that would have on the statements of consent.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's their job though.

No, their 'job' is to represent their collective.

The actions they administer in doing so are, collectively, their performance of said job.

This action was dysfunctional, like many of their other actions, such as defending players who purposely injure other players.

Saying 'it's their/my job' is among the lamest excuses ever presented.

[icarus]

What a rollercoaster (the trial and this thread).

Has there been any suggestion that the Crown might appeal? Seems like there could be some questions of law that could prove fertile ground for appeal.

[Icantwhisper]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No, their 'job' is to represent their collective.

The actions they administer in doing so are, collectively, their performance of said job.

This action was dysfunctional, like many of their other actions, such as defending players who purposely injure other players.

Saying 'it's their/my job' is among the lamest excuses ever presented.

Their job is to uphold what is in the CBA, the players cannot be ineligible according to the CBA. every member of the PA is entitled to the same representation.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Icantwhisper

Their job is to uphold what is in the CBA, the players cannot be ineligible according to the CBA. every member of the PA is entitled to the same representation.

None of these players are members.