American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

To be fair, a lot of Americans hate Trump.

I think there's way more Americans who hate Trump than like him. The problem is trying to get these people off their lazy asses and into a voting booth.

[Drak]

Another serious problem is the corporate owned media and disinformation machine. The MSM is obviously compromised and to suggest there’s still a balance is laughable.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

To be fair, a lot of Americans hate Trump.

Not enough apparently since he is back in office.

AOC is much different. She is a women which is already 1 knock on her for the Americans. 2. She is brown. 3. She is very polarizing. A bunch are already glorifying her sexually as well which is going to hurt her chance at the incel vote which Trump won by a landslide.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by direwolf

I think there's way more Americans who hate Trump than like him. The problem is trying to get these people off their lazy asses and into a voting booth.

Oh Mr. Optimistic over here…

[CroFlames]

I'm not optimistic about America at all.

But think about all the people who hated Trump openly and silently. I thought it was a joke he was running in 2016 he was reviled by his own party ffs. Now he's the dictator of the party.

AOC might be such an 'out of left field' candidate that she does what Trump did. Actually win.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I'm not optimistic about America at all.

But think about all the people who hated Trump openly and silently. I thought it was a joke he was running in 2016 he was reviled by his own party ffs. Now he's the dictator of the party.

AOC might be such an 'out of left field' candidate that she does what Trump did. Actually win.

I dunno, I think in general Americans are far more like Trump than AOC. I suspect she'd get pulverized. Dems need to do different and move in her direction, but she's too far left for what America is, despite having great ideas and principles.

[direwolf]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not optimistic either. The America we once knew is unravelling faster than anyone thought possible, and that country is likely finished as a democracy.

The upcoming mid-terms are the only chance left to turn things around and put at least a temporary halt on the descent into fascism, and that's assuming they won't be rigged in the GOP's favour or just outright cancelled by Trump after he declares Martial Law for some stupid made-up reason.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I dunno, I think in general Americans are far more like Trump than AOC. I suspect she'd get pulverized. Dems need to do different and move in her direction, but she's too far left for what America is, despite having great ideas and principles.

You’re conflating the Democratic Party and Americans. She's too far left for establishment Dems, she's reasonable for non brainwashed with the red scare Americans. This is the same genius Democratic Party that turfed AOC to give a prime committee spot to a geriatric cancer patient who just died in office. The establishment dems are clinging to power with their gnarled and boney fingers and nothing will force them to let go other than the march of time or a spontaneous populist leader taking the reins.

This isn't a dems vs MAGA problem it's an Americans vs dems and MAGA problem.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

The democrats should just own it.

"We were wrong, we thought he'd bet better, we thought maybe he'd recover, it was a coverup, we're sorry."

Then run someone as far away from the establishment as possible next time, like AOC.

Stephen A. Smith ‘leaving all doors open’ for presidential bid

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...sidential-bid/

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Ped

I don't think he's made any comments on any deaths from natural disasters since he took office and no one appears ready to ask him about it, either.


The media has really dropped the ball, even more so recently.


Kimmel getting applauded for canceling Jake Tapper's appearance. He should have had him on, should have asked him why he's going no about Biden with what Trump is showing mentally.

I think Kimmel canceled Seth Rogan and Tapper because his granddaughter was born that night.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by kermitology

I think it'll be Tim Walz. White, male, under the radar progressive, great at messaging: his whole weird thing really had the GOP scrambling until the Democrats stupidly abandoned that theme.

If it's another establishment Dem that Pelosi or Schumer pick, they'll lose. They're going to have to overcome the thumb on the scale that the Trump administration and GOP states and county election boards will apply. The 2026 and 2028 elections are not going to be without "issues" since autocrats are extremely difficult to get rid of.

If they can get past the fact he's gay, Pete B is the guy who checks all the electability boxes.

[wireframe]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If they can get past the fact he's gay, Pete B is the guy who checks all the electability boxes.

They obviously cannot get past the fact that he's gay.

[Red Slinger]

I think Shapiro may be the next major Democratic hopeful.

[puffnstuff]

They really hate Harvard...

Today,#Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem#ordered DHS to terminate the Harvard University’s Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP) certification.

This means#Harvard can no longer enroll foreign students and existing foreign students must transfer or lose their legal status.

Harvard University Loses Student and Exchange Visitor Program Certification for Pro-Terrorist Conduct

Harvard is being held accountable for collaboration with the CCP, fostering violence, antisemitism, and pro-terrorist conduct from students on its campus.

By the way, these are copied directly from the DHS release announcing this. It would be funny if it wasnt real.

[troutman]

AI Overview

Harvard University has educated the most US presidents, with a total of five, including John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, and John F. Kennedy. Yale University is second, having educated three presidents: William Howard Taft, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush. Princeton University has educated two presidents: James Madison and Woodrow Wilson

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

If they can get past the fact he's gay, Pete B is the guy who checks all the electability boxes.

Yeah, a straight Pete crushes any GOP candidate. He’s smart, relatable and has personality and is a terrific speaker and debater.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by dino7c

One problem

AOC is good looking though. That makes a ton of the gender difference.

One of the main reasons Trump won was because everyone hated the political estavlishment options.

I think Trump also decisively proves that voters don't actually care about the content of someonea politics. AOC can also deliver good populist soundbites.

I also just that people misunderstand party dynamics here. I think the latest election showed that Democrats struggle To get the progressive leftist to vote. The right wing of the party are often the most hardline liberals and party faithfuls, who are most vocally of the opinion that Democrats are the party that can and should save US from GOP fascism. They would fall in line with anyone their party puts up.

Plus most of them love AOC as a personality anyway.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I like how people are talking about the next Democratic candidate when there's not going to be another open election anyway.
Run Kermit the Frog, it's irrelevant anyway.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by WideReceiver

Yeah, a straight Pete crushes any GOP candidate. He’s smart, relatable and has personality and is a terrific speaker and debater.

He's an establishment liberal darling, but most people hate establishment liberals for very good reason.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I like how people are talking about the next Democratic candidate when there's not going to be another open election anyway.
Run Kermit the Frog, it's irrelevant anyway.

There won't be a fair election, but there is likely to be AN election.

Also worth noting that Trump is very unlikely to be able to run in 4 years, and at this point the GOP is very much a cult of personality. Hard to say what happens when Trump starts to fade from the picture.

EDIT: Aung San Suu Kyi won an election in 1990 while in house arrest and in a country with a military junta in power and heavy restrictions on free speech and public gatherings.

The junta rejected the result of course, and Myanmar isn't doing great, but that election still really mattered.