Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Fuzz]

That's a pretty big stretch to call that a lie. I don't ultimately know why he decided not to, but I presume the "why not?" led to people in his party explaining why not. Again, changing path when new information arises is not lying.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

People be tripping over each other to be the most centrist, meanwhile I'm out here with 92% Green, 91% NDP

It doesn't matter what the compass tells me, I vote Green every election.
(they always lose by 80,000 votes)

[Slava]

So we're two days into the campaign, which will matter. On day one, Danielle Smith said that Poilievre is similar to Trump, and she asked a foreign government to hold off on tariffs to help him win the election. Now, we're on the second day, and it seems that foreign operatives helped him win the contest for the CPC leadership.

I can't imagine that him having to declare that he won the leadership fair and square was part of their campaign planning, but that's where we are. This election is starting like a dumpster fire for the CPC. This is not helping their credibility in any sense.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Environmental, military, and immigration for starters.

I too think “immigration should be fair and balanced and address labour shortages, and the system should be properly funded” should be viewed on equal merit as “they should arrest and deport legal immigrants”

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Environmental, military, and immigration for starters.

Jeeze, man. Don't be too specific.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Azure

Yeah, and we have two specific provinces that are very likely to not play ball.

Alberta
Quebec

Especially after Quebec today said they will never approve a federal pipeline.

Everyone is drawing their lines in the sand.

And anyone with half a brain knows that Carney is completely full of #### when he says he'll eliminate the barriers by July 1. But at this point nobody cares, but he can lie all he wants as long as he says he doesn't like Trump.

Plus the complexity and amount of negotiating would probably take years to get meaningful results. However, the transporting regulations may be one area they could accomplish to some degree in a reasonable amount of time, and even that carries a high degree of uncertainty.

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Also, your painting of Carney as a liar when that isn't supported is pretty blind. You're just saying stuff that has no basis in fact, unless you can point to all his prior lies to show a pattern. Keep in mind changing views as the world changes isn't lying, it's an attribute of a good leader.

It's ok, probably heard it in a PP 3 word slogan while he was deflecting his lack of security clearance...could happen to anyone

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Environmental, military, and immigration for starters.

I consider myself a pragmatic progressive with leftist leanings (though I reject the extreme left, ie: the ones who refuse to vote for a centrist to keep the far right out of power).

Having said that, I'm open minded to sometimes accepting centrist positions on some issues, depending on the situation. So I reject your notion that only centrists are open-minded and flexible.

Can you point to specific situations where the right-wing position (rather than the left or center) was the correct one, pertaining to the 3 topics you listed?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Also, your painting of Carney as a liar when that isn't supported is pretty blind. You're just saying stuff that has no basis in fact, unless you can point to all his prior lies to show a pattern. Keep in mind changing views as the world changes isn't lying, it's an attribute of a good leader.

If you think it wasn't a bald faced lie to say they will eliminate all internal trade barriers in Canada by July 1 I have a bridge to frickin' nowhere to sell you.

We should expect more from our potential PMs than lying to the Canadian public to win votes.

Especially over an issue that is literally decades in the making, and something the Liberals as the party in power have do squat frick all to fix in their 9 years in power.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Azure

If you think it wasn't a bald faced lie to say they will eliminate all internal trade barriers in Canada by July 1 I have a bridge to frickin' nowhere to sell you.

We should expect more from our potential PMs than lying to the Canadian public to win votes.

Especially over an issue that is literally decades in the making, and something the Liberals as the party in power have do squat frick all to fix in their 9 years in power.

I will lose 20 pounds by April 30.

If I don't achieve that, does that make me a liar?

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-elect...french-debate/



I don’t know. Sounds like a lie.

Maybe I’m reading too much into what he said? Seemed to imply he would debate, then changed his tune.

Also commonly referred to as "changing their mind"

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That's a pretty big stretch to call that a lie. I don't ultimately know why he decided not to, but I presume the "why not?" led to people in his party explaining why not. Again, changing path when new information arises is not lying.

Good lord. What new information arose other than Carney can't properly speak French?

All he needed to say was 'we are doing a French debate on this and this day.' The end.

But now the question arises whether he actually understood what was asked, which would explain his answer, or he literally just lied.

So yeah.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Yamer

I will lose 20 pounds by April 30.

If I don't achieve that, does that make me a liar?

So to excuse a dumb comment you make another dumb comment.

The 'Liberal apologist' way.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Azure

So to excuse a dumb comment you make another dumb comment.

The 'Liberal apologist' way.

Just trying to follow your logic, champ.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

I consider myself a pragmatic progressive with leftist leanings (though I reject the extreme left, ie: the ones who refuse to vote for a centrist to keep the far right out of power).

Having said that, I'm open minded to sometimes accepting centrist positions on some issues, depending on the situation. So I reject your notion that only centrists are open-minded and flexible.

Can you point to specific situations where the right-wing position (rather than the left or center) was the correct one, pertaining to the 3 topics you listed?

I don't know about far left and far right, but I can tackle left and right, using the Trudeau liberals as the left.

Immigration - infrastructure has to define the level of immigration. This includes housing availability. You can't destroy the standard of living for people already in Canada, based on a metric saying that we need more people, without including all available variables.

Military - funding is way below where it should be, for way too long. I actually think that it would now cost way too much to rebuild a conventional military from what is essentially Scratch. Some outside of the box thinking is needed. Funding and follow through.

Environment- Canada has really very little effect on climate change. We like to think that we are big players, but we are not. And we don't lead anyone by example. No one is watching. Make money hand over fist, and then mandate a good portion of the windfall into solving global problems, that you would give the world for free.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by opendoor

It wouldn't really improve affordability at all if it's an across the board thing like the Conservatives are suggesting, at least directly. GST is only charged on newly built units, so in order to compete with existing stock, currently they have to be priced lower to account for the GST charge.

Where it could theoretically impact things is by improving builders' margins, since they can now sell newly built units for a similar price to existing ones. That could lead to more housing construction. But for the construction of units that are already viable, chances are they'd just pocket the difference.

Seems like this puts the cart before the horse? New construction is the variable supply, so it should be the supply/demand of new that determines the price of existing. Without GST on new homes, existing homes are worth less as a substitute.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by aaronck

Also commonly referred to as "changing their mind"

So we can’t trust him because he might ‘change his mind’? Not sure that’s a whole pile better than being a liar.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I don't know about far left and far right, but I can tackle left and right, using the Trudeau liberals as the left.

Immigration - infrastructure has to define the level of immigration. This includes housing availability. You can't destroy the standard of living for people already in Canada, based on a metric saying that we need more people, without including all available variables.

Military - funding is way below where it should be, for way too long. I actually think that it would now cost way too much to rebuild a conventional military from what is essentially Scratch. Some outside of the box thinking is needed. Funding and follow through.

Environment- Canada has really very little effect on climate change. We like to think that we are big players, but we are not. And we don't lead anyone by example. No one is watching. Make money hand over fist, and then mandate a good portion of the windfall into solving global problems, that you would give the world for free.

These are centrist positions, are they not? The right wing ones are on display to the south of us.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Azure;9374896[B

]If you think it wasn't a bald faced lie to say they will eliminate all internal trade barriers in Canada by July 1 I have a bridge to frickin' nowhere to sell you.[/B]

We should expect more from our potential PMs than lying to the Canadian public to win votes.

Especially over an issue that is literally decades in the making, and something the Liberals as the party in power have do squat frick all to fix in their 9 years in power.

K, but he hasn't been saying that.

To that end, our government will immediately convene a First Ministers’ Meeting to work with provinces and territories on two objectives. First, to remove interprovincial trade barriers so that Canadians can trade freely. Second, to identify projects in the national interest that cross interprovincial boundaries so that they can be prioritised and accelerated.

https://markcarney.ca/one-canadian-economy

he committed to table legislation by July 1, 2025, to eliminate all federal barriers to interprovincial trade and labour mobility and to remove all federal exemptions under the Canada Free Trade Agreement.

https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-re...his-plan-build


He will do the parts the feds can do. On what grounds can you call him a liar when July 1 hasn't arrived? Because you don't think hes going to achieve some benchmark you made in your head? Ya, I to don't think he'll achieve that.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

So we can’t trust him because he might ‘change his mind’? Not sure that’s a whole pile better than being a liar.

This is pretty funny.