Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Azure]

Originally Posted by woob

I don't understand the logic of being upset that the government in power took the opposition's idea/policy and put it into effect. Is this not a good thing? Especially with a new leader? Does it not show that they disagree with what the previous Liberal government did on that particular file, recognize that CPC's idea/policy is a good, and put it in place.

If I was a convervative voter, I'd be ecstatic that the government in power made this change in thought process and put in something I consider to be good policy.

Maybe doing that a few months after literally voting against the same policy is a bit hypocritical? In fact its a total charade and Canadians should see through it.

Of course if Carney would turf all the clowns that voted against it and start fresh he could basically say well that was then and this is now and we have a new government and I didn't vote against it.

But hey, clown show is still filling all the proper cabinet positions....

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

They didn’t exactly “work” with them though

They extorted them . Which is how the system is set up and they used the (math) to their advantage . To me this is a “don’t hate the player hate the game “ situation . And their party is basically decimated and they couldn’t even pick up votes as the liberals were burning

The NDPs best chance moving forward is the liberals actually continue to move more central on economic policies and drive the left wing liberal voters to them over the next few years .

The PCs could have provided the same extortion option.

In the financial crisis when Harper purogued parliament that’s effectively what the liberals did. They rejected the fiscal update and supported the budget with their proposed changes when the house reconvened.

This is the way a minority parliament is supposed to work. Each party provides support to hold up government in exchange for their priorities. The conservative approach of always trying to unseat the government results in not passing any policy.

I think the concept of shadow governing and forcing the liberals to reject ideas would have been far better for Canada. The risk of the #### Trudeau campaign was that he resigned.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Azure

Sorry, but as pointed out early the Liberals literally voted against legislation on some of the stuff Carney is not saying he will do, so if you continue saying that you are actually full of ####.

Which seems to be what a lot of Liberal supporters are these days when it comes to the sudden reversal in Liberal policies.

GST on new homes? Bad, but now good!
Capital gains taxes? Good, but now bad!
Caps on oil production? Good, bad, or is it good, actually bad, well depends who moron is speaking.

Holy smokes, you people are absolutely desperate for your useless, ineffective, do-nothing, empty suit of a leader, Pierre "Never Accomplished Anything" Pollievre to get credit for things other people have done.

I get you're starting to have buyer's remorse while watching Mark Carney work, envious that the Liberals are led by a man of action. But trying to give Pierre credit for things Carney did within days of being voted in as a leader is pretty sad. Pierre has led the cons for how long? Hasn't done a damn thing. I almost feel bad for people duped by Pollievre, there had to be someone more effective than him.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by GGG

The PCs could have provided the same extortion option.

In the financial crisis when Harper purogued parliament that’s effectively what the liberals did. They rejected the fiscal update and supported the budget with their proposed changes when the house reconvened.

This is the way a minority parliament is supposed to work. Each party provides support to hold up government in exchange for their priorities. The conservative approach of always trying to unseat the government results in not passing any policy.

I think the concept of shadow governing and forcing the liberals to reject ideas would have been far better for Canada. The risk of the #### Trudeau campaign was that he resigned.

In fairness to the PC's, they decimated Trudeau's popularity and were headed to a landslide political win.
They were playing things well from a political victory standpoint.

It took the perfect combination of Trump doing the most insane things and Carney coming out of no where to bring us to today.

The PC's just don't have a plan B and never thought they'd need one.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I'd like a citation on that. I don't really remember anyone being against the GST cut for new homes, let along criticize conservative voters for that policy. There are plenty of reasons people criticize them, but I'm not sure this was one of them.

You are being deliberately selective here on purpose. You know exactly which policy he is referring to, choosing instead to cherry pick on the GST cut on new homes which as a CPC led policy was never talked about much here.

The capital gains increase last year for instance now removed was absolutely something the usual partisan sycophants here praised and defended while parroting virtue signaling rhetoric about the wealthy. The posts are readily available if you want citations.

And that's not even talking of the whole carbon tax thing.

We get it, Liberals have a different leader who sees differently or at least is governing differently and may be borrowing some CPC ideas, or rather centrist / conservative ideas that contradict Trudeau policies. I'm all for it even if some people here are being hypocritical on their own stance to gloat about Liberals taking the wind out of the CPC sail. In the end they are policies I wanted implemented / removed.

[getbak]

It's weird how the only time I ever hear the CPC talking about their own policies is when they're accusing Carney of stealing them.

Maybe they should have spent all this time talking about their great ideas instead of nonsense like "Carbon Tax Carney" and "Just Like Justin".

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

In fairness to the PC's, they decimated Trudeau's popularity and were headed to a landslide political win.
They were playing things well from a political victory standpoint.

It took the perfect combination of Trump doing the most insane things and Carney coming out of no where to bring us to today.

The PC's just don't have a plan B and never thought they'd need one.

Plan B being anything of substance? Plan A was “the current guy sucks!”

[woob]

OK so the Building Homes Not Bureaucracy Act the CPC put forward had the following (summary):
(a) establish a target for the completion of new homes in high-cost cities that increases 15% every year and ties federal infrastructure funding allocated to high-cost cities to that target;

(b) provide for the reallocation of $100 million from the Housing Accelerator Fund to municipalities that greatly exceed housing targets;

(c) require that federal transit funding provided to certain cities be held in trust until high-density residential housing is substantially occupied on available land around federally funded transit projects’ stations; and

(d) make it a condition for certain cities to receive federal infrastructure and transit funding that they not unduly restrict or delay the approval of building permits for housing.

It also amends the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation Act, the National Housing Act and the Excise Tax Act in order to

(a) eliminate executive bonuses unless housing targets are met and to reduce executive compensation if applications for funding for new housing construction are not treated within an average of 60 days; and

(b) provide a 100% GST rebate on new residential rental property for which the average rent payable is below market rate.

So while it's easy to say the Liberals voted against removing GST from housing sales, one with a little more critical thinking skills could surmise that maybe they voted against this act due to other items in the act they did not agree with. At the end of the day, yes it was a party line vote. No surprise there. But to be all "the Liberals JUST voted against removing GST from home sales" is grossly simplifying the argument. Not that I expect much more from certain posters on this board.

https://www.parl.ca/legisinfo/en/bil...6?view=details

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Well Carney has a distinct advantage over the opposition. As Prime Minister he can:

1. act like a Prime Minister because he is one

2. use public money to promote his agenda, or campaign for the election e.g. talks with Premiers, playing with the Oilers

3. take important steps to look important and dominate the media e.g. trips to Europe and the Far North

4. Stealing whatever policy he decides from the opposition e.g. he can always do what Trudeau did and change the policy once elected

Oh wait, he's different than Trudeau. Although he has been advising him for the past 5 years, and where has that taken Canada.

So he's maligned if he does nothing, and maligned for taking a number of correct/appropriate actions because we "shouldn't take the bait".

It's like he's set up to fail no matter what he did. Sounds like a fair and evenly weighted evaluation.

It's one thing to rail on incompetence, but now you guys are attacking competence out of what seems like desperation. That's all Carney has shown since stepping in.

Also crying about the unfairness of him getting to work from the PMs chair is a bad look. Makes PPs minions look like miniature versions of him. I thought playing the victim card was the lefts calling card.

I have a hard time seeing PP do better in the public eye in these two weeks than Carney has if he was in his position. Maybe I'm wrong, but watching him since the trade war started, I don't think so.

[Mathgod]

I've always been in support of giving first-time home buyers a tax break.

I've been a vocal supporter of the carbon tax, but understand that in a democracy, the correct thing to do is listen to voters, and align yourself with what the majority wants.

I supported the corporate tax increase, but again, if it has adverse effects on the economy and hurts more Canadians than it helps, reversing it was the correct thing to do. We need to look for smarter ways to reduce inequality and fund clean energy development.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Well I did criticize the removal of the carbon tax at the time, so sure. But that's because I not only personally benefited, and at the time the situation was different. If we were not in a Trump world, I'd still support keeping it. Not just for the money in my pocket, but because it does work to reduce emissions. BC proved that one pretty handily. But it's also supported in the analysis of it.

Carbon tax reduced emissions in BC? Emissions are at the same level as 2007 if not a tiny bit higher. But sure, that is a success even though BC is nowhere near meeting the target they had initially set out.
https://thenarwhal.ca/bc-emissions-targets-failed-2025/

[Incogneto]

It's gonna be a long 40 days....

[Johnny Makarov]

Carney just roasting the eff out of the Cons right now after a french reporter why he didn't run for the Conservatives. hahahaha Cut taxes, cut spending, cut everything and 1000 flowers will bloom! hahhaah

He is just so much better than blackface due to his confrontational attitude towards idiots. He is kinda like Nenshi!

[WideReceiver]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Looks like someone's just angry he spent all that time taking down his "FUCΚ TRUDEAU" banner on the shed to put "CARNEY" in duct tape letters, and now Carney is doing everything he wanted out of the CPC.

Losing one's identity is hard.

We’re allowed to say #### now?

Edit:I guess not. lol

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I didn't realize their hate was so transferrable.

My beef was with Trudeau, but him specifically.

I don't know what kind of logic these truck nut people operate on but it seems erroneously based.

[Party Elephant]

[Ped]

Originally Posted by widereceiver

we’re allowed to say #### now?

Edit:i guess not. Lol

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[TrentCrimmIndependent]

The advising angle seems forced in order to support the angle that they're all cut from the same cloth as Trudeau. Just a little too convenient. I'm going to look at the body of work the guy actually gives us in the position because that's the best empirical evidence we can work with.

So far I'm encouraged.

He actually answers questions, he expresses concern for the issues Canadians are most concerned about, he's helping one of my favorite places to recover from devastation, and he's axed policies that weren't serving us.

I'm not seeing a Trudeau clone to this point, but keep digging for skeletons in the past I guess.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Carbon tax reduced emissions in BC? Emissions are at the same level as 2007 if not a tiny bit higher. But sure, that is a success even though BC is nowhere near meeting the target they had initially set out.
https://thenarwhal.ca/bc-emissions-targets-failed-2025/

4.3 million people vs 5.7 million this year so a 30ish % reduction in emissions intensity or so.

About 1/4 of vehicles being green vehicles.

That doesn’t seem too terrible. It didn’t hit targets but they also added significant industrial activity.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by Azure

You must have missed the part where there was legislation introduced to repeal GST on new homes and the Liberals voted against it.

Lets all act like that never actually happened and continue with the literal false information about what PP has said or done, or for that matter hasn't said and hasn't done. Facts literally don't matter anymore in Liberal land.

Cool. I also don't vote based solely on what happened in the past, I mean the present and future are sort of important as well are they not?


As I will be purchasing a my first home in the next year or so, does this save me a lot of money or not? The liberals voted this down in the past, the cons said they would do it, the current PM did it. What am I missing here aside from the fact that I should be angry for reasons? I would be happy if the CPC had implemented this as well. I fail to see why I should be angry or agitated at this.


I don't care what happened in the past with past parties and past politicians given the current events happening with the crack house down south. I care about what is said today and what they will do tomorrow.


FYI I am a lifelong conservative voter. Unlike some, I guess I just realized that doesn't mean I have to remain that way if I don't like the current party, policies or people.