Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Winnie]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Probably not enough

Chat in two weeks.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

hahaha. you rightwingers are going to lose your kyit when the Libs win 4 in a row. hahahaha I see a lot of vomit in your future. Don't forget to pick up your olivebranch on your way out

Can’t see that happening

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Winnie

I'll apologize in advance if I missed the sarcasm, but...maybe don't pivot if you actually believed in your stance, rather than what's popular?

Because their stance used to be what was popular. Unfortunately for the country.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Are they ready to govern in the manner that the general population and conservatives have been telling them to all these years or is it just lip service to win votes? They suddenly don't support the years of policy action and ideology that has established the tenets of the party?

I’m simply listening to what they are saying outloud. Poilievre hasn’t been nearly vocal enough on the seriousness happening with our relationship to the US and our sovereignty. Also purposefully appealing to far right groups. Simply taking what they are saying at face value, the choice is obvious for me. I’m not wasting time trying to interpret and guess what hidden goals my choices have.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Winnie

I'll apologize in advance if I missed the sarcasm, but...maybe don't pivot if you actually believed in your stance, rather than what's popular?

Believe in what “stance”? Their ####ing job is to represent the people and their interests. We have overwhelmingly been clear about how the carbon initiatives went.

Originally Posted by Goriders

Because their stance used to be what was popular. Unfortunately for the country.

Or at least, they thought it was. Then everyone yelled “no, hit the drawing board again!”

… so they are. And multiple people in the party lost their jobs over it.

[Azure]

Rube is pretty quiet. Must be tough seeing the Liberals come back and steal the NDPs lunch.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Winnie

I'll apologize in advance if I missed the sarcasm, but...maybe don't pivot if you actually believed in your stance, rather than what's popular?

Would you rather a stubborn politician that sticks to their guns as the world around them changes, or one able to adapt their principles to a changing world for the benefit of the country?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’m simply listening to what they are saying outloud. Poilievre hasn’t been nearly vocal enough on the seriousness happening with our relationship to the US and our sovereignty. Also purposefully appealing to far right groups. Simply taking what they are saying at face value, the choice is obvious for me. I’m not wasting time trying to interpret and guess what hidden goals my choices have.

PP has said the same things about the tariffs that the Liberals have. Same thing Ford has.

His Canada First policy makes a lot of sense. His inter provincial trade policies make a lot of sense. The Liberals had 9 years to do either, and have done nothing, but hey its PP that isn't saying the right things.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Would you rather a stubborn politician that sticks to their guns as the world around them changes, or one able to adapt their principles to a changing world for the benefit of the country?

It is amusing how all of a sudden people are lapping up what the Liberals are saying. I mean its clear they are just taking advantage of a political opportunity to dupe the masses again.

I'm all for less spending, Canada First policies, etc, etc. But I'm not so naive to believe that they'd actually do something.

[Leondros]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Would you rather a stubborn politician that sticks to their guns as the world around them changes, or one able to adapt their principles to a changing world for the benefit of the country?

If you actually believe they are changing… I personally wouldn’t count on it.

[PepsiFree]

What makes it even sillier (beyond conservatives complaining about policies they like coming from a party they don’t) is that people are acting like this is completely out of the blue, an entirely unprompted 180, flip-flopping, etc, while completely ignoring the fact that…

you know…

…there is a leadership race which is going to precede a federal election. Two situations where candidates campaign on how they’re going to be different/better.

Cons can just admit they like the policies instead of all this reaching to criticize. It’s OK not to blindly support your “chosen” party.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Leondros

If you actually believe they are changing… I personally wouldn’t count on it.

People still trot out and believe the falsehood that Conservative governments are good for the economy so there’s certainly crazier things to count on.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’m simply listening to what they are saying outloud. Poilievre hasn’t been nearly vocal enough on the seriousness happening with our relationship to the US and our sovereignty. Also purposefully appealing to far right groups. Simply taking what they are saying at face value, the choice is obvious for me. I’m not wasting time trying to interpret and guess what hidden goals my choices have.

What makes you so eager to believe that the Liberals will or are laying all their cards out on the table for you to clearly see while the Conservatives might have some hidden goals and agenda? The Liberals don't have a track record of being open and honesty despite their most recent leader advocating selling his government as the most transparent ever. You are giving them the benefit of the doubt?

[Azure]

So much for this not actually being a major problem.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1888203337532666168

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

What makes you so eager to believe that the Liberals will or are laying all their cards out on the table for you to clearly see while the Conservatives might have some hidden goals and agenda? The Liberals don't have a track record of being open and honesty despite their most recent leader advocating selling his government as the most transparent ever. You are giving them the benefit of the doubt?

I’m not eager to believe any party… and I never said only one party had a hidden agenda. Where did you read that? Are you capable of having a conversation about this? Honest question.

Conservatives have a layup here, again….

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I’m not eager to believe any party… and I never said only one party had a hidden agenda. Where did you read that? Are you capable of having a conversation about this? Honest question.

Conservatives have a layup here, again….

I doubt anyone who responds to “I’m judging all parties at face value, not whatever hidden agenda they might have” with “Oh, so you think the CPC have a hidden agenda and the Liberals DON’T?” is remotely capable of having an actual conversation.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I doubt anyone who responds to “I’m judging all parties at face value, not whatever hidden agenda they might have” with “Oh, so you think the CPC have a hidden agenda and the Liberals DON’T?” is remotely capable of having an actual conversation.

When people can’t even read a sentence without flipping it completely around, there’s no way their reading comprehension is at a level where they can have adult conversations about economic policies.

So, stick to just dropping random links to opinion pieces.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The Liberals are stealing all the conservative talking points now that an election is around the corner. They want to axe the tax, develop resources, spend on defense and reduce government spending, waste and size. Does anyone actually believe this sudden 180?

The reason the Liberals are the default governing party of Canada is because they’re adept at tacking with the political winds. They move left when they feel the NDP are a threat, and move right to counter the Conservatives. The Liberals don’t have any strong political convictions besides doing whatever they believe is most likely to get them elected.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The reason the Liberals are the default governing party of Canada is because they’re adept at tacking with the political winds. They move left when they feel the NDP are a threat, and move right to counter the Conservatives. The Liberals don’t have any strong political convictions besides doing whatever they believe is most likely to get them elected.

And since the Conservatives were so driven by being 'anti-Liberal' it makes their messaging tough. They can't argue against the ideas because they have the same ones, and because their ideas are so superficial they can't really argue how theirs are better, either. Not to say the Liberals plans aren't superficial, they are, but because the Cons have fumbled everything the past few weeks when it comes to messaging, they're chasing the Liberals shift rather than being ahead of it. Political memories are short. All this bs down south has reset a lot of them, and reset people's priorities. What was said 6 months ago, 5 years ago, or 10 years ago is basically forgotten. Nobody will care that the Cons have been beating that drum for years before hand, it's about who's saying what I want to hear now! And now is a cycle where the Conservative leader is fresh off talking with Jordan Peterson and appearing weak and indecisive against American pressure and the Liberals are holding the Canadian flag, standing up to a bully and proposing developing resources and upping defense spending, just thing kinds of things the electorate wants to hear (right now).

Politics are all about timing, and the timing is working out a lot more for the Liberals than the Conservatives.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The reason the Liberals are the default governing party of Canada is because they’re adept at tacking with the political winds. They move left when they feel the NDP are a threat, and move right to counter the Conservatives. The Liberals don’t have any strong political convictions besides doing whatever they believe is most likely to get them elected.

Traditionally the Liberals have run on the left and then ruled on the right once elected, fairly smart ploy really