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Old 12-30-2024, 12:54 AM   #5201
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The question is, what comparable defenceman are the Jets going to get for a lower price?
The question is how bad are the Jets gonna choke in the playoffs
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Old 12-30-2024, 12:58 AM   #5202
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The question is how bad are the Jets gonna choke in the playoffs
They need defense, and they need somebody good.
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The Jets are definitely a good candidate for Andersson.

But they have 8 guys to sign next year, including Ehlers. And it is unlikely that they can do all 8, so they are going to need to fill the roster with one or two kids on the cheap. IMO, that means they would be very reluctant to trade Lambert, and probably Yager too.

But if they want Andersson, they have to trade someone. For me, the package has to start with Yager or Lucius, or Lambert - one of the three.
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Old 12-30-2024, 06:57 AM   #5204
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Even if you don't get Yager, and I think it might be possible that you could, they do have a few other interesting trade chips:

C/W Kieron Walton: I wrote a favorable review about him last year, and I believe I had him in the third round. The Jets got him in the 6th-round, and he has exploded this season with 54 points in 32 games- tied for 4th in OHL scoring. He's a 6'6" behemoth who skates well, and exhibits good vision and skill as a power-forward.

There's also D Alfons Freij, C Brad Lambert, LW Colby Barlow, LW Kevin He, D Elias Salomonsson, and C Chaz Lucius.
I don't know anything about Walton - -would you do Andersson for Lucius + Walton?

Maybe something like Andersson for Lucius + Walton + 2nd?

Everyone agrees that a package for Andersson needs to include a 1st, but getting 2 good prospects and a 2nd isn't terrible either (depending on Walton's value)
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The conversation with the Jets starts and ends with Lambert IMO.
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Old 12-30-2024, 08:48 AM   #5206
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Yeager’s play at the WJHC last left me questioning how much his game will translate to the big leagues. Small sample size , but it’s not looking good.

It’s been absolutely quiet in flames land, nothing new or exciting no not share.
Same names on the Market, same “unknown” status on what the Flames feel this team can do. I suspect we might see this team remain the same until the deadline.
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Old 12-30-2024, 09:12 AM   #5207
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Nope, the question is actually what are the jets willing to pay for Andersson.
It's pretty clear that the Jets' biggest need is for a top-4 defenceman. They can get Andersson or a different one. So the question is, in fact, who they can get that will be comparable for a lower price.
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Old 12-30-2024, 09:26 AM   #5208
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The question is how bad are the Jets gonna choke in the playoffs again
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Old 12-30-2024, 10:49 AM   #5209
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I really love Ras, so I would hate that he gets traded to a city like Winnipeg. If it happens, I would want Lambert ++ for him.
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I really love Ras, so I would hate that he gets traded to a city like Winnipeg. If it happens, I would want Lambert ++ for him.
At this point, I’d be shocked if the Flames traded Andersson this season. Even if Andersson let it be known he would be willing to move, I’d bet the Flames say ‘let’s discuss this in the offseason’.

Short of another team making an offer the Flames can’t refuse, I think Andersson is here until the draft, at least. And even then I think it’s the Flames preference to resign him.

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At this point, I’d be shocked if the Flames traded Andersson this season. Even if Andersson let it be known he would be willing to move, I’d bet the Flames say ‘let’s discuss this in the offseason’.

Short of another team making an offer the Flames can’t refuse, I think Andersson is here until the draft, at least. And even then I think it’s the Flames preference to resign him.
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At this point, I’d be shocked if the Flames traded Andersson this season. Even if Andersson let it be known he would be willing to move, I’d bet the Flames say ‘let’s discuss this in the offseason’.

Short of another team making an offer the Flames can’t refuse, I think Andersson is here until the draft, at least. And even then I think it’s the Flames preference to resign him.
I would hope not. His skating and speed won't improve and paying another player 8 plus AAV in that age range doesn't work for us.

I rather get Bahl on a long-term deal. We already have Weegar signed.

It's time we stop being the team for retirement contracts.
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Old 12-30-2024, 11:40 AM   #5213
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At this point, I’d be shocked if the Flames traded Andersson this season. Even if Andersson let it be known he would be willing to move, I’d bet the Flames say ‘let’s discuss this in the offseason’.

Short of another team making an offer the Flames can’t refuse, I think Andersson is here until the draft, at least. And even then I think it’s the Flames preference to resign him.
From a couple of insiders it doesn't sound like there is any interest from Andersson's side at all, and I don't see that changing, personally. Conroy will say the right things publicly but I'd imagine he's already moved on to finding the right fit and time to trade Andersson, with the trade deadline and this coming off season as the two most likely options.

Each has it's potential upsides to extracting value. Trade deadline would give a contender two playoff runs withe Andersson at like $2.3AAV which is incredible value. The off season however may have more teams involved due to everyone resetting and trying to build a playoff team for the next season.
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I would hope not. His skating and speed won't improve and paying another player 8 plus AAV in that age range doesn't work for us.

I rather get Bahl on a long-term deal. We already have Weegar signed.

It's time we stop being the team for retirement contracts.
Why not both (Bahl and Andersson)?

Conroy’s words on a recent interview (Flames Talk) ‘Rasmus is a Flame’, in response to where things sit with Andersson. Conroy sees him as a core piece and as they’ve said consistently, the Flsmes aren’t tearing it down to the studs.

That said, Conroy said the exact same thing about Gaudreau. So, they need to be a lot more certain. Anderson can’t be a Flame beyond next TDL without an extension.

Unless a team is going to offer up a young C, or a top 10-ish pick I think he’s staying this year. Especially with the Glames in a fight for a playoff spot and no real sign that is about to change.
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Why not both (Bahl and Andersson)?

Conroy’s words on a recent interview (Flames Talk) ‘Rasmus is a Flame’, in response to where things sit with Andersson. Conroy sees him as a core piece and as they’ve said consistently, the Flsmes aren’t tearing it down to the studs.

That said, Conroy said the exact same thing about Gaudreau. So, they need to be a lot more certain. Anderson can’t be a Flame beyond next TDL without an extension.

Unless a team is going to offer up a young C, or a top 10-ish pick I think he’s staying this year. Especially with the Glames in a fight for a playoff spot and no real sign that is about to change.
At some point there is going to be a push up the roster from our prospects.

Andersson doesn't fit our team in my mind with his age and the contract.

Conroy isn't going to publicly say he is trading someone.
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From a couple of insiders it doesn't sound like there is any interest from Andersson's side at all, and I don't see that changing, personally. Conroy will say the right things publicly but I'd imagine he's already moved on to finding the right fit and time to trade Andersson, with the trade deadline and this coming off season as the two most likely options.

Each has it's potential upsides to extracting value. Trade deadline would give a contender two playoff runs withe Andersson at like $2.3AAV which is incredible value. The off season however may have more teams involved due to everyone resetting and trying to build a playoff team for the next season.
Which insiders? The ones who post here?

It could happen, I’m just basing my assumptions on how we, the fans, have seen things play out in the past. The handling of Markstrom’s last year the most recent example.

I think what the Flsmes are trying to do is continue to play well enough to compete and sell Andersson on extending, even if he’s leaning away.

….just my two cents.

If they do trade him this year, I hope they do it sooner than later because removing him from the lineup will all but certainly start a downward trajectory, and if they’re going in that direction, the lower they go, the better. All that said, I’m trying to think of the last time the Flames really capitalized on this type of asset, and I can’t think of one off the top of my head.

I doubt it happens this season.
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I can't see rasmus being traded while the flames are fighting for a playoff spot since he has another year on his contract.

Plus I think the want to keep Rasmus. Same way they wanted to keep Hanifin.
They have runway so they'll use it.


I mean no one knows forsure what conversations happe behind closed doors, but I don't think Conroy is trying to shop Rasmus at all right now.


It would have to take someone really blowing their socks off with an offer.


Edit: I think they should trade him now personally and maximize value. I just don't think management sees it that way.
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At some point there is going to be a push up the roster from our prospects.

Andersson doesn't fit our team in my mind with his age and the contract.

Conroy isn't going to publicly say he is trading someone.
Sure, but until that happens, it’s not a problem. And that’s, I think, 2-3 years down the road? Not all these guys are going to turn out and I doubt the strategy is ‘feed them to the wolves’.

Of their is a pinch in 2-3 years, perhaps it’s Weegar that gets moved.
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Sure, but until that happens, it’s not a problem. And that’s, I think, 2-3 years down the road? Not all these guys are going to turn out and I doubt the strategy is ‘feed them to the wolves’.

Of their is a pinch in 2-3 years, perhaps it’s Weegar that gets moved.
I think Weegar is better. I would move Andersson.
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Sure, but until that happens, it’s not a problem. And that’s, I think, 2-3 years down the road? Not all these guys are going to turn out and I doubt the strategy is ‘feed them to the wolves’.

Of their is a pinch in 2-3 years, perhaps it’s Weegar that gets moved.
Why pay a fortune to re-sign Andersson, who by all reports wants to play for a contender, only to trade away a much cheaper Weegar, who by all reports doesn't mind being here?
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