Russia invades Ukraine

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Pointman

It's like saying that Ukraine is also the aggressor. They are not. Israel left Gaza alone 20 years ago and let Palestinian authorities govern them. Gazans promptly elected Hamas and murdered and exiled Palestinian authorities. Which resulted in the blockade, imposed by Israel and Egypt that was actually supported by Palestine.

This is what I mean. You are incapable of looking at objective facts. Israel did not leave them alone, that's ridiculous. They controlled their borders. They bombed them. They continued to steal Palestinian land. I'm not going to continue on like these in this thread, because you are mentally unable to see facts.

[jayswin]

It's chilling to get a glimpse into the mind of a truly indoctrinated human being.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Okay, so - in your mind - Gaza is a "de facto" nation. So not a real nation, but close enough if we're going to say war is nation to nation and the humans I hate need to be killed and also must be a nation according to the definition I made up. Fair enough, I guess.

Also - again, according to the definition I made up - the aggressor [de facto] nation is responsible for everything bad that happens after the original aggression regardless of proportionality. Let's ignore the abject stupidity of such a statement since a nuclear holocaust would be permissible for the minorist of infractions nation to nation under this bone headed and ridiculous definition.

So when I looked at the Israel and Gaza situation, I think Israel is actually the aggressor:



Now, obviously I get you have an impenetrable forcefield of indoctrination and misinformation preventing you from objectively analysing facts; however, at the very least maybe we can agree there is enough uncertainty over who started the Israel/Gaza conflict that allowing absolute destruction and human eradication of Gaza should perhaps be tempered with some empathy and humanity? lol, just kidding. Let's kill em all!!!1!1!!

Wait, Israel is aggressor because it killed more Palestinians than the other way around? So, if Ukrainians would eventually kill more Russians, than the other way around, would Ukraine automatically become the aggressor?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

This is what I mean. You are incapable of looking at objective facts. Israel did not leave them alone, that's ridiculous. They controlled their borders. They bombed them. They continued to steal Palestinian land. I'm not going to continue on like these in this thread, because you are mentally unable to see facts.

You are confusing Gaza with West Bank again. Israel never stole Gaza land after withdrawal. They did control the borders, with support of Palestinian authorities, after Gazañs murdered and exiled them.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by jayswin

It's chilling to get a glimpse into the mind of a truly indoctrinated human being.

Yet I appear to be one of the few being mentally capable of discussing the issue without insulting the others. Even though it's actually me, not you, who had to spend last two months in bomb shelters with my family.

Gazans should release hostages, unconditionally, and recognize the right of the state of Israel to exist. That's it. Are those demands unreasonable, ghoulish and demonic?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Okay, so - in your mind - Gaza is a "de facto" nation. So not a real nation, but close enough if we're going to say war is nation to nation and the humans I hate need to be killed and also must be a nation according to the definition I made up. Fair enough, I guess.

Also - again, according to the definition I made up - the aggressor [de facto] nation is responsible for everything bad that happens after the original aggression regardless of proportionality. Let's ignore the abject stupidity of such a statement since a nuclear holocaust would be permissible for the minorist of infractions nation to nation under this bone headed and ridiculous definition.

So when I looked at the Israel and Gaza situation, I think Israel is actually the aggressor:



Now, obviously I get you have an impenetrable forcefield of indoctrination and misinformation preventing you from objectively analysing facts; however, at the very least maybe we can agree there is enough uncertainty over who started the Israel/Gaza conflict that allowing absolute destruction and human eradication of Gaza should perhaps be tempered with some empathy and humanity? lol, just kidding. Let's kill em all!!!1!1!!

There's one fundamental thing here that needs to be addressed. You view Oct 7th as a one-off attack that, although horrible, happened long ago and is over. And what Israel is doing, in your opinion, is an overzealous revenge for the crime that maybe was brutal, but is a thing of the past and it's high time for the punishment to stop.

That's factually incorrect view. The Oct 7th attack is an ongoing situation because Gazans are still holding the hostages. If they had released the hostages and Israel kept bombing them as mere punishment, you might have had a point about unproportional response and over-the-top punishment. But as long, as hostages are there, it's an ongoing war, not a one-sided beating.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by jayswin

It's chilling to get a glimpse into the mind of a truly indoctrinated human being.

And this is always been Pointman, he's always shown ghoulish behaviour

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by BigThief

And this is always been Pointman, he's always shown ghoulish behaviour

Wars are horrible. I hate them. I just have a very candid and realistic view on them. Whole "Geneva convention" mindset is out of touch with reality. It doesn't help to stop wars at all.

I also believe that the way to prevent wars is to punish the whole country - not just the army - of the instigator. Being in Russia in the entire build up to the war made me realize that. Putin didn't hypnotize Russians. They, as whole, chose to attack.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Pointman

There's one fundamental thing here that needs to be addressed. You view Oct 7th as a one-off attack that, although horrible, happened long ago and is over. And what Israel is doing, in your opinion, is an overzealous revenge for the crime that maybe was brutal, but is a thing of the past and it's high time for the punishment to stop.

That's factually incorrect view. The Oct 7th attack is an ongoing situation because Gazans are still holding the hostages. If they had released the hostages and Israel kept bombing them as mere punishment, you might have had a point about unproportional response and over-the-top punishment. But as long, as hostages are there, it's an ongoing war, not a one-sided beating.

Is that the 6 year old girl with one arm, or the dead mother?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Wars are horrible. I hate them. I just have a very candid and realistic view on them. Whole "Geneva convention" mindset is out of touch with reality. It doesn't help to stop wars at all.

I also believe that the way to prevent wars is to punish the whole country - not just the army - of the instigator.

Is that why you stayed in Russia to take your lumps?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Wars are horrible. I hate them. I just have a very candid and realistic view on them. Whole "Geneva convention" mindset is out if touch with reality. It doesn't help to stop wars at all.

I also believe that the way to prevent wars is to punish the whole country - not just the army - of the instigator.

Ah, so the world should punish the Russian people by killing as many citizens as possible for an indefinite time as they were the instigator?

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Yet I appear to be one of the few being mentally capable of discussing the issue without insulting the others. Even though it's actually me, not you, who had to spend last two months in bomb shelters with my family.

Gazans should release hostages, unconditionally, and recognize the right of the state of Israel to exist. That's it. Are those demands unreasonable, ghoulish and demonic?

But nobody in this conversation is saying or supporting anything ghoulish except you. What could you possibly insult us for? Wanting fewer violent deaths of civilians? Yeah, we're total monsters...would love to see your insults for us.

You're a genocide-supporting victim-blaming ghoul who fled your war mongering country like a spineless weasel only to find the other war mongering country that you also support like a spineless weasel, which I'm sure you'll continue to support unless your life is put in jeopardy again, after which I suppose you'll weasel away from and find another #### hole to move to so you can cheer on more innocent people dying.

Ghoul.

And are Israel's demands unreasonable to want their hostages released? Of course not, Einstein. It is, however, unreasonable and unhinged to murder thousands and destroy a "de facto" (larf) nation when the demands are not met. It's a sledgehammer response that is completely disproportionate and punishes all the wrong people.

Your support of this makes you a disgusting fkn ghoul.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Wars are horrible. I hate them. I just have a very candid and realistic view on them. Whole "Geneva convention" mindset is out of touch with reality. It doesn't help to stop wars at all.

I also believe that the way to prevent wars is to punish the whole country - not just the army - of the instigator. Being in Russia in the entire build up to the war made me realize that. Putin didn't hypnotize Russians. They, as whole, chose to attack.

Don't forget, "de facto" countries, too, or you'll have accidentally undermined your position on Gaza (again).

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Ah, so the world should punish the Russian people by killing as many citizens as possible for an indefinite time as they were the instigator?

Not for indefinite time, but until surrender.

Otherwise, yes.

Ukraine either needs to play by the rules or they don't. If they do, then they are to blame for attacking civilian airport that resulted in the plane crash. If you believe in Geneva convention, Ukraine could only attack military airports. If they don't, it's ok to attack Russia, including civilian casualties. I'm with the latter. Somehow I am called a ghoul for this, although everyone seems to have this view when it comes to Ukraine.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Not for indefinite time, but until surrender.

Otherwise, yes..

*he says after (cowardly?) fleeing Russia

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by BigThief

*he says after (cowardly?) fleeing Russia

Unless you came to Gaza to help the Palestinian cause, you have no ground to stand on. I am the only one, who actually walked the walk on my views, like them or not. I tore apart my pretty comfortable live in Russia in the early 40s and I spent months under Hezbollah missilies in Israel. Even though I could buy an apartment in Greece and get EU residency.

To claim that I would flee Israel if my life is put in danger means that you have no clue about the bombings of Haifa from August till October.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Not for indefinite time, but until surrender.

Otherwise, yes.

Ukraine either needs to play by the rules or they don't. If they do, then they are to blame for attacking civilian airport that resulted in the plane crash. If you believe in Geneva convention, Ukraine could only attack military airports. If they don't, it's ok to attack Russia, including civilian casualties. I'm with the latter. Somehow I am called a ghoul for this, although everyone seems to have this view when it comes to Ukraine.

Please, just stop.



And for the love of humanity, don't pass your sense of morals down to your children.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Unless you came to Gaza to help the Palestinian cause, you have no ground to stand on. I am the only one, who actually walked the walk on my views, like them or not. I tore apart my pretty comfortable live in Russia in the early 40s and I spent months under Hezbollah missilies in Israel. Even though I could buy an apartment in Greece and get EU residency.

No, you said the entire country of Russia should be punished. Holding that position, you left. Despite being in your mind responsible for the actions of Russia, and worthy of punishment. If Ukraine decided to hunt you and your family down in Israel, according to your morally consistent views, you are a worthy target.


You are now also guilty of supporting the genocide of the Palestinian people, so again, you are a fair target. Stop complaing when the rockets arrive, they, according to your morals, rightfully have your name on them.

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by BigThief

*he says after (cowardly?) fleeing Russia

What kind of Chickens&$t comment is this? Keyboard warrior in Canada calling bravery shots on a person that fled a dictatorship who is openly using men as meat shields

What a place this can be sometimes.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

No, you said the entire country of Russia should be punished. Holding that position, you left. Despite being in your mind responsible for the actions of Russia, and worthy of punishment. If Ukraine decided to hunt you and your family down in Israel, according to your morally consistent views, you are a worthy target.


You are now also guilty of supporting the genocide of the Palestinian people, so again, you are a fair target. Stop complaing when the rockets arrive, they, according to your morals, rightfully have your name on them.

So, you literally say tfat it's fair to kill me because of my posts on Calgary Puck? And you think that it's me, not you, who is a monster?