American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Dion

Lets talk about the man who has nothing but sexual predators, felons, crazy people and election deniers in his cabinet.

He's got both - people who he pardoned and who he is now appointing to cabinet and other positions. Charles Kushner, for example (and Pam Bondi was a pardon lobbyist in Trump's term).

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by curves2000

Let's forget the politics aside and let's run under the assumption the actual background story but add in context from the corporate world during that time. It's not an accurate direct comparison but let's use yourself as a basic example.

You are effectively a #2 or 3 in a top tier organization with global influence in power. Corporate security, IT and various federal government agencies have all bent over backwards to allow the CEO a minimized version of a newer like technology. Strict warnings have been given to other top executives that an accommodations have been given in a single circumstance to the CEO.

You define corporate security, IT and federal agencies who regulate your company and establish communications out of company and corporate rules and guidelines with virtually no electronic trace. You have gone through great lengths in order to cover your electronic tracks from all eyes.

The CEO and other's find out that your using a device or a tool that no other senior executive, including the CEO is allowed to have to the same degree, and you don't see anything wrong with this?

You are able to bypass everybody, including your boss, federal laws and strict warnings from security regarding the use of said device and your going to tell us you had 35k emails about Flames line changes and 5th round prospects?

If Obama who was given special consideration for the use of a Blackberry with such limited use it was almost like a toy, why would Clinton be able to have full access to her's without the protection, security, electronic record keeping and more of a White House issued device?

It's ok think that this was just political in a lot of peoples mind but the simple fact remains, US security agencies and the US Secret Service, which is the only agency that has the ability to override the US President when it comes to security, were bypassed for a single person benefit.

Frankly I really don't care about the emails and more but logically there would be a few things in there that perhaps didn't smell right ethics and legality wise. The same logic would apply if you bypassed every single rule and law regarding the same thing with your employer at the highest level. I don't think discussion regarding Flames and Panthers NHL talk would be the appropriate answer as to what you were doing business wise.

The length of your post suggests otherwise. It was a non-issue back then. It was investigated. They concluded it was a non-issue. It's totally irrelevant to anything.

But just suppose it was concerning ethically or legally. What, then, would you do if you discovered that an ex-president illegally removed hundreds of classified documents on his way out of the White House, and then stored them in his bathroom at his private residence, without any security whatsoever? Is that concerning behavior...you know, ethically or legally?

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Guys...let's talk about trump!

Why do you care so much about Hunter Biden? Is it the dick pics?

[GioforPM]

Marci Wheeler does an excellent job of laying out the utter political hack job that led to the prosecution of Hunter Biden, and how the media can’t be bothered to pay the slightest attention to it:

Let’s imagine that, two years from now, Pam Bondi rolls out charges against some onetime adversary of Donald Trump. To the extent that journalists will still be employed and reading court filings, to the extent that prosecutors under Emil Bove (who at SDNY oversaw a team sanctioned for discovery violations) comply with discovery requirements, the adversary in question learns the following about his prosecution:

The case started when an investigator started looking into a transnational trafficking network
The investigator discovered that the prominent adversary had paid one of the sex workers trafficked in the network
Rather than pursuing the traffickers, the investigator used the payment for sex as cause to open an investigation
Of course, no one is going to charge a John … so the investigator starts pulling divorce records and four year old tax returns to try to move from that payment for sex work to something that can be charged
Then the investigator started incorporating oppo research from Peter Schweizer into his investigation
Kash Patel’s FBI set up protected ways to accept tips from Trump supporters who’ve doctored documents to create a crime
Trump called up Bondi and told her to take more aggressive steps
Trump called up foreign leaders asking for help on this prosecution
Bondi then set up a way to launder that information from foreign sources, including known spies, into the investigation of the adversary
Patel’s FBI asked a partisan informant to fabricate claims against the adversary
Trump publicly called out prosecutors — resulting in them and their children being followed — because they had not yet charged his adversary
Ultimately, the adversary got charged on 5-year old dirt, and only then, after charging, did prosecutors quickly do the investigative work to win the case at trial
Now, as I’ve described it, you surely imagine you’d say, wow, that looks like a thoroughly corrupt prosecution, a clear case of Trump using DOJ to punish his adversaries.

Right?

It’s not so much that investigators didn’t, after the fact, find a crime to charge. They did. If you investigate most high profile people long enough, you’ll find something to charge, particularly if multiple people come to DOJ with doctored evidence to help create that crime.

It’s that someone found the name of an adversary in the digital records of crimes that were more important to investigate, and instead of pursuing that crime, used the electronic record as an excuse to keep looking until they found some evidence of a crime against Trump’s adversary.

Everyone would recognize that’s what happened, right?

Of course not. Of course no one would recognize that that was a political prosecution.

We need no further proof than the fact that none of those very same details showed up in any of the coverage of the Hunter Biden investigation. Not now that he has been pardoned. Not when all these details came out last year. Not in any of the retrospectives of the times Trump demanded investigations on his adversaries.

What will happen instead is that a bunch of self-important DC scribes will chase the most salacious allegations, provide endless headlines about sex workers and wild parties. The DC scribes will ignore every detail about the legal investigation — every one!! — and instead use the prosecution as an opportunity to sell political scandal. And also, they will point to their Tiger Beat coverage as proof, they say, they are not politically biased.

Rather than diligently rooting out the obviously politicized prosecution, the press will be complicit in it.

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com...al-prosecution

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

What about the people who rightfully did call Trump out for all of his corrupt pardons he pushed through at the end of his term in 2020?

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Locke

Absolutely not!!



I think the real shame of the Pardon system is in the Mechanism of it. What they really need to do is take some cues from Japanese and Korean Game Shows!



I believe that the President of the United States should be allowed to Pardon anyone they want, but...they have to earn it first!



Obstacle Courses. Feats of Strength. Mental Challenges. Competitive Hamburger Eating. We can do better!



All televised! You want to Pardon someone, you gotta earn it!



"Okay Joe....if you want to Pardon Hunter, you have to climb the steps in Philadelphia to the Rocky statue without falling in this allotted time period...no helmets! Now....GO!!!"



I mean, if you want to turn the whole thing into a side-show...don't half-ass it!!

Japanese gameshows/comedy skits!

https://twitter.com/user/status/1846394406577782910

https://twitter.com/user/status/1158561076142755840

[Locke]

Now picture any of those contestants as Trump or Biden.

Half the world would tune in to see that. You could run it next to the Superbowl and still bring in higher viewership.

[Locke]

I mean...Biden can't even make it up regular stairs. They'd have to scoop him up with a spatula.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by activeStick

What about the people who rightfully did call Trump out for all of his corrupt pardons he pushed through at the end of his term in 2020?

Do whatever you want, but clinging to the moral high ground based on consistency is only eventually getting them rolled over. It's kinda like the saying about knowing the rules of of the road cycling... "Ya, you may have been right and within the law, but you are also dead." Sometimes you have to recognize no one else is following the rules, either, so if you want to live you better work with what is going on around you. And that is that rules and norms don't apply anymore. Trump has broken them all with the only consequences being he gets 4 more years of power.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That's truly stupid.
Any thinking individual thought what Trump did was egregious and that this is just another ####ty abuse of power.
We are all only capable of following partisan lines?

[Looch City]

There are no lines. Take care of yourself and #### everyone else. I don't really care, do you?

This is America. Now and forever!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

That's truly stupid.
Any thinking individual thought what Trump did was egregious and that this is just another ####ty abuse of power.
We are all only capable of following partisan lines?

It shouldn't be, but Trump is president again after doing that, and so much more, so here we are.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Japanese gameshows/comedy skits!

Now imagine if I were the ruler of the World! I'm not saying it'd be a better place, but it'd definitely be stranger...

[Red Slinger]

1- Trump and/or Republicans act unethically
2- Democrats complain
3- Right-wingers taunt Democrats for being week
3- Trump wins
4- Americans of all stripes criticize the Democrats for being soft policy wonks
5- Democratic President plays by Trump rules
6- Right-wingers feign outrage

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

That's truly stupid.
Any thinking individual thought what Trump did was egregious and that this is just another ####ty abuse of power.
We are all only capable of following partisan lines?

I would try to protect my son from Trump if I was Joe Biden. I doubt that if Kamala won he would have pardoned Hunter.

I also think the pardon being so vague and all-encompassing is because Biden probably has intelligence that his political opponents will try absolutely anything to go after Hunter after Joe leaves office.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I would try to protect my son from Trump if I was Joe Biden. I doubt that if Kamala won he would have pardoned Hunter.



I also think the pardon being so vague and all-encompassing is because Biden probably has intelligence that his political opponents will try absolutely anything to go after Hunter after Joe leaves office.

Yeah, since the gun charges were more recent and the pardon goes back a number of years to cover other things.

[MelBridgeman]

Good to know that the "Big Guy" admits to the lawfare going on.

Lots of pardons coming down the pipe, Jan6ers ect.

Nice can of worms Big Guy

[Muta]

Have zero problems with Biden pardoning his son. It's a drop in the bucket compared to all the corrupt pardonings in Trump's orbit. The fact that this outrages the right is hypocritically hysterical.

[Wormius]

Couldn’t Biden, as POTUS, just have Trump and Vance offed if he perceives them as threats to America. Trump made this basically legal.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Couldn’t Biden, as POTUS, just have Trump and Vance offed if he perceives them as threats to America. Trump made this basically legal.

As long as it's an official act, then yes. He can't be prosecuted for that.

Not sure who Elon will dance for on stage anymore, poor Elon