Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Obviously it can only be the love-child of Margaret Trudeau and Fidel Castro who has been secretly raised by foreign Communist governments to infiltrate and destroy Canada from the inside through vaccines, carbon tax and marijuana.

If you want to start being taken seriously and not laughed out of the room, maybe start by ditching the idiotic conspiracy theories, step outside your information bubble and see if you yourself have a self-correcting device to challenge the narratives you've concocted.

Hitting us with the Castro conspiracy, then a classic “can’t wait to see his supporters cry,” and finishing with the “if you mock me then YOU are the problem.”

It’s not often you find self awareness that low in the wild. Kind of feels like a special little treat when it does happen.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Yamer

If only the left would quit being so divisive.

You jest, but there's a good deal of divisiveness within the left itself. A not-insignificant portion seem to revel in foisting mindless purity tests onto each other over superficial differences the further left you go. Unwavering fealty, letting perfect be the enemy of good, and all that. People who should be political allies end up feeling like they aren't.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

You jest, but there's a good deal of divisiveness within the left itself. A not-insignificant portion seem to revel in foisting mindless purity tests onto each other over superficial differences the further left you go. Unwavering fealty, letting perfect be the enemy of good, and all that. People who should be political allies end up feeling like they aren't.

Can you provide an example.

[activeStick]

I saw an interview on CTV on social media but can't find it anymore. Sounds like Trump's plan is to keep the tariffs as is since he's going to use the money generated to balance their budget, but after that's done, they'd consider speaking to the countries on a country by country basis on removing the tariffs.

Found an article on it.

According to sources, Trump and his team conveyed that they plan to balance their federal budget through tariffs, and then strike exemption side deals on a country-by-country basis.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/cana...ting-1.7128663

[Fuzz]

Basically the end result will be the largest tax increase on US consumers in history to balance the budget. I presume if he had advertised it like that, he would not have been elected.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Can you provide an example.

Yes, plenty. I'm not going to because I frankly am loath to discuss the subject for the millionth bloody time. But it doesn't take much effort to notice that facists and conservatives get along much better than liberals and socialists do, to our detriment.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Yes, plenty. I'm not going to because I frankly am loath to discuss the subject for the millionth bloody time. But it doesn't take much effort to notice that facists and conservatives get along much better than liberals and socialists do, to our detriment.

I don’t think you can actually name one example that fits your description because I don’t think you put that much thought into it, which is fine. I mean, you’re talking about Canada where NDP supporters regularly throw support behind the Liberals if there is a sense that Conservatives might win. The Liberals, who are not far left at all, have been in power for.. how long?

I guess to me what Yamer is pointing out is the type of divisiveness where it’s not so much that there’s a clear desire to gain or improve something, but rather people whose fundamental political drive is to take away something or hurt someone. “They (the left) are pushing their agenda on me, so I’m going to be against it just because, and I’m going to laugh when they don’t get what they want.”

What you seem to be talking about is differing priorities within a political spectrum that result in people voting in a way they believe actually improves something or voting in a way that’s true to their actual beliefs, rather than looking forward to the damage they’ll cause someone else. That type of “divisiveness” if you want to call it that is actually good and healthy across the spectrum, left or right. In fact, if that type of “divisiveness” was more present on the right, the world would be much better.

So, I think you totally missed the point.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Basically the end result will be the largest tax increase on US consumers in history to balance the budget. I presume if he had advertised it like that, he would not have been elected.

That and domestic manufacturers will actually be less efficient and competitive.

Between the devaluation of the Canadian dollar and Mexican peso vis the U.S. dollar plus the cost increase on the U.S. Produced goods. It's likely the imported stuff is less expensive in two years than a comparable U.S. made product. At which point the solution will be....more tariffs!

[puffnstuff]

Imagine thinking trump cares about balancing the budget. He will grift off reducing tariffs on a case by case basis.

Also, cons and fascists get along with each other so well because they are currently the same people

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

It is entirely rational and consistent to believe that it is a ####ty and shortsighted move for Trump to toss sweeping tariffs at Canada and want our government to solve this problem before it hurts both countries, while at the same time admitting that poor, shortsighted, and ideologically motivated Canadian government policy (particularly in energy, defense, immigration, and drugs) has lead to the US reasonably accusing us of being bad neighbours.

It's not pro-Trump to admit Canada has problems (many of our own making and many an unavoidable reality between the pandemic and demographic issues), and its not overtly jingoistic to say that its an ####### move to pick on Canada.

Energy? Who blocked Keystone XL? The USA is a worse neighbour than Canada is, with their guns, their Second Amendment, and their Trumpism.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Slava

All the people hating on Trudeau and basically cheering for Trump to devastate our economy just makes me hope that Trudeau is successful even more. Like I have zero intention of voting for the guy (his corruption and other issues make him a terrible choice), but him getting a deal to avoid the tariffs would be great on several levels.

Yup.

Honestly don't understand the hate on Trudeau for his response to Trump the past 2 weeks.

Seems like people want Canada to crash and burn instead of our PM actually being successful in avoiding the tariffs.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Thunderball

It is entirely rational and consistent to believe that it is a ####ty and shortsighted move for Trump to toss sweeping tariffs at Canada and want our government to solve this problem before it hurts both countries, while at the same time admitting that poor, shortsighted, and ideologically motivated Canadian government policy (particularly in energy, defense, immigration, and drugs) has lead to the US reasonably accusing us of being bad neighbours.

It's not pro-Trump to admit Canada has problems (many of our own making and many an unavoidable reality between the pandemic and demographic issues), and its not overtly jingoistic to say that its an ####### move to pick on Canada.

Exactly.

Trump is a moron for even comparing Canada & Mexico.

And a moron for thinking tariffs accomplish anything, especially sweeping tariffs to all imports.

At the same time all of a sudden our government seems to care more about border security, but we've literally had an issue with guns, drugs, etc coming across the border into Canada (and going the other way) for years.

Canada / US have had an amazing relationship for almost 100 years. It is in our best interest as a country to continue that relationship, and work with the US on supply chain rehoming. Something that would benefit both countries massively.

But instead it seems like people just want to rage hate on Trudeau but also condemn the US now that Trump is in charge. Thankfully the Liberals sure seem to be adults about this (see comments by Canada to US ambassador).

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

https://youtu.be/5I0tk6OO5sw?si=m1EubOem6YwfctJD



“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist. It’s a very small group of people, but that doesn’t shy away from the fact that they take up some space.

“This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people? Over 80% of the population of Quebec have done their duty by getting the shot. They are obviously not the issue in this situation.”

He actually referred to people that didn’t want to get a vaccine that didn’t even stop the spread of the virus as “ misogynistic and racist” and “Do we tolerate these people”

Who the hell says #### like that?

A. You cut off the limiting part of his quote - the sentence right before. Coincidence?

B. The vaccine was in fact, effective in limiting spread of COVID and would have done even better except for the idiots who fell for conspiracy theories.

C. His quote was accurate about the leaders of the anti-vax/Truckers charade. It was driven by white supremacists. The rest just fell for them.

D. This wasn't dividing Canadians. It was describing a tiny group.

Actual quote:

Yes, we will get out of this pandemic by vaccination. We all know people who are a little bit hesitant. We will continue to try and convince them, but there are also people who are fiercely against vaccination. They are extremists who don’t believe in science, they’re often misogynists, also often racists. It’s a small group that muscles in, and we have to make a choice in terms of leaders, in terms of the country. Do we tolerate these people? Or do we say, hey, most of the Quebecois people – 80% – are vaccinated. We want to come back to things we like doing.“

[FlamesAddiction]

I guess Trump said that he is going to apply 100% tariffs to all BRICS countries as well. There is no possible way they let him do that.

[Yamer]

So Trudeau called the morons 'morons', and then these morons bought stickers that said they are proud to be morons and stuck them all over their trucks.

Oh the huge manatee!

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I guess Trump said that he is going to apply 100% tariffs to all BRICS countries as well. There is no possible way they let him do that.

This is if they go ahead with the adoption/creation of a new currency rather than using the $USD.

[chemgear]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...s-that-making/

Canada launches global ad campaign warning asylum-seekers that making a claim is difficult

Once presenting itself as one of the world’s most welcoming countries to refugees and immigrants, Canada is launching a global online ad campaign cautioning asylum-seekers that making a claim is hard.

The $250,000 in advertisements will run through March in 11 languages, including Spanish, Urdu, Ukrainian, Hindi and Tamil, the immigration department told Reuters.

They are part of a broader shift in tone by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s unpopular government on immigration and an effort to clamp down on refugee claims.

It may be an uphill battle. Canada’s refugee system faces a 260,000-case backlog amid growing global displacement. The government has little control over who claims asylum. Its immigration minister has hinted at fast-tracking claims deemed unlikely to succeed. The government is hoping millions of people will leave the country on their own when their visas expire, and the immigration minister has threatened to deport them if they do not.

[Cowboy89]

Trump's tariffs and demands are beyond reckless and dangerous and will hurt Canadians and Americans deeply economically. That said it could give the Liberals the political cover to start to clean up the massive mess they created .

I don't think people really appreciate the sheer staggering numbers of how badly the Liberals have fumbled the immigration file and have damaged the country as a result. Nearly 5 million temporary visas expire next year. That's 13 years worth annual PR acceptance levels at the new rate of 395,000 which is ~20-25% higher than the acceptance rate during the Harper years. There's no satisfactory infrastructure in place to process the sheer amount of potential asylum claims, extension requests, and to track and deport non-compliance. That's just managing the mess Canada created on it's own, nevermind the many that will swamp Canada's borders once Trump's up and running in the coming months. Massive action and dollars are needed to be spent to process claims and to track and deport non-compliance (and probably to replace post-secondary funding from international students).

I appreciate that demographically Canada is getting older and that fertility rates are down so there definitely is a need and a case for a good amount of immigration. However anyone trying to claim that bringing in over 10% of the permanent population post-covid was a smart idea doesn't pass a red face test. When you see an influx of that size happening so quickly it's hard to argue that housing cost impacts were/are minimal, that wages weren't/aren't being suppressed by abuses of the TFW program and by international students, and that a health system battered from covid was/is able to accommodate it.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Trump's tariffs and demands are beyond reckless and dangerous and will hurt Canadians and Americans deeply economically. That said it could give the Liberals the political cover to start to clean up the massive mess they created .

I don't think people really appreciate the sheer staggering numbers of how badly the Liberals have fumbled the immigration file and have damaged the country as a result. Nearly 5 million temporary visas expire next year. That's 13 years worth annual PR acceptance levels at the new rate of 395,000 which is ~20-25% higher than the acceptance rate during the Harper years. There's no satisfactory infrastructure in place to process the sheer amount of potential asylum claims, extension requests, and to track and deport non-compliance. That's just managing the mess Canada created on it's own, nevermind the many that will swamp Canada's borders once Trump's up and running in the coming months. Massive action and dollars are needed to be spent to process claims and to track and deport non-compliance (and probably to replace post-secondary funding from international students).

I appreciate that demographically Canada is getting older and that fertility rates are down so there definitely is a need and a case for a good amount of immigration. However anyone trying to claim that bringing in over 10% of the permanent population post-covid was a smart idea doesn't pass a red face test. When you see an influx of that size happening so quickly it's hard to argue that housing cost impacts were/are minimal, that wages weren't/aren't being suppressed by abuses of the TFW program and by international students, and that a health system battered from covid was/is able to accommodate it.

And I hate to say it, but Inherited Wealth is rapidly becoming a problem.

People are ageing out of the workforce, but they're not being replaced by the younger generation, they're being replaced by an influx of new citizens, and in some cases thats great.

But they have no place to live because that retired guy isnt giving up their house.

So you take someone out of the workforce, have to replace him with someone and you've added to the workforce without compensatory infrastructure.

You can only do that for so long until that house of cards crumbles.

[puffnstuff]

Garner trying out for the next Olympics in the 100m 'dont want to answer any questions' sprint

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6580764