2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The human element is important in the type of player you bring in.

But cutthroat management is what gets it done.

Vegas doesn't give a #### about any of that stuff and have a cup. Weegar and Huberdeau got blindsided by trades, and Huberdeau is yet to recover. Now Florida has a cup.

Sometimes you just have to do what is right for your team in the long run.

No one is talking about keeping players because of sentiment. The human element people were talking about was keeping good older guys around for a bit, in order to give the younger guys a base to work from. Vegas and Florida made hard trades of established guys but they also didn't burn everything to the ground.

And the Florida trade wasn't about getting rid of older players just because. It was about them wanting Tkachuk that badly.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

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They played him in 17 games last season so I think I was pretty bang on there, tbh.

Thanks for your helpful context.

Actually, you were inaccurate on two fronts.

First was your insistence that Wolf would demand a trade if he didn’t get 20 starts.

Second, in order to do so Markstrom had to be traded, sooner the better. What happened, factually, is Vladar’s season was cut short so he could get surgery. Thus, a spot was opened for Wolf. Strange how that happened. Wonder if the Flames knew about Vladar’s hip and the possibility of the way things turned out was actually a real possibility? So strange, it’s almost as though they knew more than you do. Maybe.

I suspect Andersson will finish this year as a Flame, much to your chagrin.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No one is talking about keeping players because of sentiment. The human element people were talking about was keeping good older guys around for a bit, in order to give the younger guys a base to work from. Vegas and Florida made hard trades of established guys but they also didn't burn everything to the ground.

And the Florida trade wasn't about getting rid of older players just because. It was about them wanting Tkachuk that badly.

Oh I am not for shipping Backlund away just because.

I was talking about guys like Andersson getting shipped our, how we had Markstrom on the market last year.

I don't think Florida went into the offseason with the intent of moving Huberdeau, but they also didn't blink twice in trading him. Best friends with Barkov, #3 overall pick grew up in the franchise in the prime of his career after 115 points.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The human element is important in the type of player you bring in.

But cutthroat management is what gets it done.

Vegas doesn't give a #### about any of that stuff and have a cup. Weegar and Huberdeau got blindsided by trades, and Huberdeau is yet to recover. Now Florida has a cup.

Sometimes you just have to do what is right for your team in the long run.

Nice guys finish last in professional sports. An organization should still aim to be first class to it's players and employees but if a player doesn't have a NTC everything should be fair game regardless of tenure as it's business at the end of the day. Teams should always do whatever it takes within the rules to win as there's no room for sentimentality.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Oh I am not for shipping Backlund away just because.

I was talking about guys like Andersson getting shipped our, how we had Markstrom on the market last year.

I don't think Florida went into the offseason with the intent of moving Huberdeau, but they also didn't blink twice in trading him. Best friends with Barkov, #3 overall pick grew up in the franchise in the prime of his career after 115 points.

And if someone offers a bunch for Andersson, I bet Conroy goes for it. I'm not sure they are shopping him though. That would leave Weegar as the sole experienced guy to mentor all the young D coming up.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Actually, you were inaccurate on two fronts.

First was your insistence that Wolf would demand a trade if he didn’t get 20 starts.

Second, in order to do so Markstrom had to be traded, sooner the better. What happened, factually, is Vladar’s season was cut short so he could get surgery. Thus, a spot was opened for Wolf. Strange how that happened. Wonder if the Flames knew about Vladar’s hip and the possibility of the way things turned out was actually a real possibility? So strange, it’s almost as though they knew more than you do. Maybe.

I suspect Andersson will finish this year as a Flame, much to your chagrin.

Lol I don't remember making a huge point insisting 20 minimum is mandatory. And in my opinion, 17 ~ 20 in this context. He got enough games in the NHL to show his worth, which I maintain was the minimum we had to do last year to keep him happy.

So it happened because of an injury? IMO that was ultimately good luck for the flames. Given the outcome of last season, might it not have been better to fall flatter on our faces and have a higher draft pick? Celebrini looks pretty damn good.

Askarov wanted out prior to the deal being signed with Saros. The deal being signed was the final nail.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The human element is important in the type of player you bring in.

But cutthroat management is what gets it done.

Vegas doesn't give a #### about any of that stuff and have a cup. Weegar and Huberdeau got blindsided by trades, and Huberdeau is yet to recover. Now Florida has a cup.

Sometimes you just have to do what is right for your team in the long run.

But I am sure that trading Weegar and Huberdeau really ruined the vibe in the dressing room!

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by activeStick

My views currently...

- Conroy prefers to keep Andersson with the Flames longterm
- Andersson prefers to stay in Calgary over moving to a different city
- If it's clear to Andersson that the Flames are projecting out to be a bottom 10 team for the next 3-4 years (not what it looks like today), he will support the Flames trading him to a team that has a competitve outlook over the next 3-4 years
- If the Flames make the playoffs this year or just miss out in the last week or two, Andersson will extend before the start of next season
- If Andersson is not extended by December 2025, he will be traded (Conroy won't let him walk for nothing)

I can answer some of these

1. Conroy is open to looking at an extension with Rasmus but there's no "preference" in the matter, the power is in Rasmus's hands and no talks have happened since the summer.
2. He does not prefer to stay in Calgary, he wants to win a cup.
3. Most certainly his focus is on Calgary and winning here right now, but he's been very open and honest with Craig (like Tkachuk was previously) that his intent is winning a cup in the next 3 years. He's been very outspoken against a longer term rebuild.
4.I'm not aware of any firm date, I've been told its not that precise but I do know that Craig is taking calls on Rasmus almost weekly and that talks continue.
5. Craig will do what's right for the Flames long term, he's not going to blow a bunch of trades on a season like this one just for the sake of getting to the first round and losing. His focus remains young centers and building around the guys that WANT to be here long term.

The Flames are not actively shopping anyone right now, but Andersson and Vladar remain the 2 hottest commodities, along with teams looking to dump vets for our picks but Craig's not biting on those.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

But I am sure that trading Weegar and Huberdeau really ruined the vibe in the dressing room!

Honest question, what do you know about the Florida Panthers dressing room, or any other for that matter?

[GioforPM]

People act like there's no space to operate between "never trade because it ruins the room" and "let's shop all vets right now".

It's not even time to trade a guy like Andersson right now. Teams are just coming to grips with what they have already. Over Christmas, no doubt, some will decide they need a guy like him.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I can answer some of these
3. Most certainly his focus is on Calgary and winning here right now, but he's been very open and honest with Craig (like Tkachuk was previously) that his intent is winning a cup in the next 3 years. He's been very outspoken against a longer term rebuild.

So he requested a trade haha

[Monahammer]

I know as much as you do, TOfan, that the florida panthers went from that trade to win the cup. So it doesn't really matter what I think of what happened in the dressing room. It was good enough to win the cup, the point of this all.

Trading high performing players doesnt automatically collapse the dressing room.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

But I am sure that trading Weegar and Huberdeau really ruined the vibe in the dressing room!

Which developing rookies were with Fla at that time? Florida was at a much different place than Calgary. Should Florida have traded Weegar 6 years ago?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

People act like there's no space to operate between "never trade because it ruins the room" and "let's shop all vets right now".

It's not even time to trade a guy like Andersson right now. Teams are just coming to grips with what they have already. Over Christmas, no doubt, some will decide they need a guy like him.

Exactly, the pressure point is the trade deadline and then the offseason.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And if someone offers a bunch for Andersson, I bet Conroy goes for it. I'm not sure they are shopping him though. That would leave Weegar as the sole experienced guy to mentor all the young D coming up.

I could see them shopping Andersson and trying to bring in another veteran though.

Aaron Ekblad who is good friends with both Weegar and Huberdeau comes to mind as a guy who seems to maybe be the odd man out in Florida...

Or other options like Provorov, Chychrun, Lindgren, Fabbro as well.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Which developing rookies were with Fla at that time? Florida was at a much different place than Calgary. Should Florida have traded Weegar 6 years ago?

Anton Lundell
Knight

Then you had a bunch of new guys lead the actual core: Tkachuk (young, traded for), Bennett (young, traded for), Reinhart (young, traded for)
The big hold overs were Ekblad, Barkov, and Verhaege.

So I would keep Bahl, Zary, and Coronato, trade Rasmus and Kadri, and move on!

[BrownDrake]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Trading high performing players doesnt automatically collapse the dressing room.

That’s probably been the case occasionally but trading your best defender for picks or prospects likely makes you leaky and less competitive, that does affect a dressing room because there isn’t 1 person in there that likes to lose and they will put 1 and 1 together. There’s a time and place to do moves like this that will minimize collateral damage, I’m confident Connie does this if and when it makes the most sense all things considered.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

And if someone offers a bunch for Andersson, I bet Conroy goes for it. I'm not sure they are shopping him though. That would leave Weegar as the sole experienced guy to mentor all the young D coming up.

One mentor on the ice + a head coach who is known for developing defensemen should be more than enough to instill culture or whatever.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

I know as much as you do, TOfan, that the florida panthers went from that trade to win the cup. So it doesn't really matter what I think of what happened in the dressing room. It was good enough to win the cup, the point of this all.

Trading high performing players doesnt automatically collapse the dressing room.

No, I think you know more which would include what’s going on in players heads or in dressing rooms around the league.

I don’t pretend to know that stuff.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I can answer some of these

1. Conroy is open to looking at an extension with Rasmus but there's no "preference" in the matter, the power is in Rasmus's hands and no talks have happened since the summer.
2. He does not prefer to stay in Calgary, he wants to win a cup.
3. Most certainly his focus is on Calgary and winning here right now, but he's been very open and honest with Craig (like Tkachuk was previously) that his intent is winning a cup in the next 3 years. He's been very outspoken against a longer term rebuild.
4.I'm not aware of any firm date, I've been told its not that precise but I do know that Craig is taking calls on Rasmus almost weekly and that talks continue.
5. Craig will do what's right for the Flames long term, he's not going to blow a bunch of trades on a season like this one just for the sake of getting to the first round and losing. His focus remains young centers and building around the guys that WANT to be here long term.

The Flames are not actively shopping anyone right now, but Andersson and Vladar remain the 2 hottest commodities, along with teams looking to dump vets for our picks but Craig's not biting on those.

Hahaha thanks! So, basically I was 0/5! Maybe, if generous, 0.5/5!

Edit to add that this news makes me sad. Andersson is my favorite player and I actually did believe he would like to stay in Calgary.