American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

The stock thing is interesting as well. Seen a lot of people my dad included yay stocks are up.

They went up as they historically do. The bond market however is saying something else, and it's not good news.

I can see interest rates going epically crazy in a year or so, I mean 1980's 15 or 20% crazy, which will be a hoot as well, you want cheaper housing you are going to get it in spades

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Please do elaborate on what the bond market is indicating post election as I'm interested in knowing either your view or the view of your sources on the bond market.

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/15/nx-s1...or-the-economy

[OldSam]

Originally Posted by Ped

While true, there will be a hell of a lot of people suffering who didn't vote for him, too.

I feel pretty bad for them for sure. A lot of my friends are trying to decide what to do. Fat Donny seems to think "The Golden Age of Trump" (insert barf emoji)will happen by next summer. Hopefully, he will lose interest and it won't be as bad.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GGG

Compulsory to work at that place of employment.

If that’s your definition then your position in one that has no meaning.

Compulsory to continue to work at your place of employment is quite a bit different from in the job description when you signed on.

Do you honestly think if your company says “Starting Monday, you must start doing X or you’re fired,” then doing X is voluntary? Losing your livelihood is pretty powerful means of coercion.

The Canadian government didn’t just mandate that frontline workers in public-facing jobs must be vaccinated. Every federal public servant, and every employee in federally regulated transportation industries, was hit with vaccine mandates. That clearly wasn’t a policy targeted at particular jobs or roles - hard to see why a rail router working on a laptop from home posed a particular risk to covid transmission. It was a blunt instrument meant to coerce as many Canadians as possible into getting the vaccine.

You might think those extreme measures were warranted. But that doesn’t mean they were any less coercive. Tens of thousands of Canadians who did not want to get vaccinated only did so because they couldn’t afford to lose their jobs.

You seem to have a very narrow definition of compulsory. Is insuring your vehicle compulsory in Alberta? Like almost everything else we call ‘compulsory’, nobody actually forces you to do it - you just get fined if you don’t.

[KelVarnsen]

Just get the ####ing vaccine FFS

[chedder]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I can see interest rates going epically crazy in a year or so, I mean 1980's 15 or 20% crazy, which will be a hoot as well, you want cheaper housing you are going to get it in spades

Only way that happens is if inflation is at 10% plus. Not very likely. Entirely possible inflation creeps up again but not to that level.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

Just get the ####ing vaccine FFS

What makes you think I haven’t?

I followed every covid protocol to the letter for the duration of the pandemic (something I’m confident only a fraction of Canadians did). I’m fully vaxxed, and I’ve been getting the flu shot annually for 15 years now (again, something only a fraction of Canadians do). I have an appointment on Friday to get my covid and flu boosters.

None of that stops me from recognizing that vaccine mandates were coercive, and many Canadians got vaccinated against their will. And now - as sober heads warned at the time - we’re dealing with the long-term blowback of those measures.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Compulsory to continue to work at your place of employment is quite a bit different from in the job description when you signed on.

Except companies and governments change what is compulsory all the time, based on changing and evolving situations, including those that weren't necessarily foreseen when the rules were drawn up.


Seatbelts weren't mandatory when cars were invented. Smoking was allowed in public spaces. The allowable limit for alcohol used to be higher. Airports and airlines introduced baggage reconciliation. Asbestos was used as insulation. Lead was used in gasoline. You used to be able to have pictures of naked women on your locker at the plant. Roofers could work without safety harnesses. Most of the rules in a company's handbook are there because at some point, something happened that made that rule a necessity.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

And now - as sober heads warned at the time -

[Fuzz]

Hell, companies are requiring people to return to the office, even if that's not what the job was when they were hired. But they have made it compulsory, and their livelihood depends on the decision. Some may even have to move their homes, tear up their families, just to be close to the office for what many consider a completely arbitrary rule for many of the rolls requiring it. And yet...

[Paulie Walnuts]

Linda McMahon named secretary of education.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Linda McMahon named secretary of education.

Hopefully Hulk Hogan gets a position too.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Hopefully Hulk Hogan gets a position too.

Amber Rose, Hogan and Kid Rock left.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by chedder

Only way that happens is if inflation is at 10% plus. Not very likely. Entirely possible inflation creeps up again but not to that level.

Yes I mean the last thing that would cause inflation and economic instability is a massive imposition of tariffs between all countries and the collapse of GAT, I mean why would there be 10% inflation if everything imported got anywhere from 10 to 200% more expensive overnight?

How would massive overnight across the board price rises be inflationary?

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by OldDutch

RFK Jr wants to ban Canola Oil. That is part of his industrial complex.

I read that other day and thought WTF. He probably heard it was originally used for industrial purposes and therefore is toxic in his mind.

Just total lunacy.

I stay away from seed oils and have since I was a teenager (decades ago). Do they cause harm? Maybe. Are they safe? Maybe. There is zero conclusive proof they are healthy and zero conclusive proof they aren't. But why use them if safe and healthier alternatives exist? It makes zero sense.

And they probably aren't safe.

For 1000s of years humans have been using fruit oilseeds, olive oil and coconut oils. We know they are safe. They have been tested by time. And our bodies are optimized for them.

If you want to introduce a relatively new seed oil into your diet that doesn't have the same track record, are heavily processed, and our bodies aren't optimized for, you do you. But it's a pretty dumb decision if you (a) have the alternatives available and (b) can afford the alternatives.

If my partner brought home margarine, canola oil, vegetable oil, I'd throw it out. #### that. My family isn't consuming that dog ####. It's basic risk management. Zero upside and lots of downside. Unless you're poor and want to save a few dollars.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1141404419231113216

[Wormius]

Uh… so sesame oil is a thing, eh. Pretty commonly used in places with high life expectancies, if that’s a metric that’s important to you.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Uh… so sesame oil is a thing, eh. Pretty commonly used in places with high life expectancies, if that’s a metric that’s important to you.

It's healthier than the worst 8 seed oils. It's been modified for 1000s of years for easier extraction. And the oil is more stable and has better fats than the other 8 notable seed oils. But is it healthier than olive or avocado oil for cooking? Probably not.

Again, if given two options where one is safe (olive oil) and the other isnt conclusively bad, but has a lot of questions marks around safety (seed oils)...why would you take the option with question marks? There's clear explanatory science of why seed oils could be bad. It's not conspiracy.

It similar to people picking up cigarettes in the 1950s because there's no conclusive evidence theyre bad. You know what's safe...not smoking. You know what might be dangerous? Smoking. You would have to have been pretty dumb to pick up cigarettes on the basis that because there wasn't conclusive proof they were bad, they must be good.

A boat is a boat, but a mystery box can be anything, even a boat.

[curves2000]

Canola oil is a quazi Canadian success story. We took a garbage product (canola seed) and we pressed it into oil and sold it to the world as canola oil. It's such a garbage oil that people don't even have a clue. It's just not a product that people have been using for a long time but do because well, it's cheap.

Countries with proud oil cultures and products know this without a doubt, this isn't a RFK conspiracy thing. Countries like Ukraine produce world class, high quality sunflower oil for the world. That is an oil that is 1000 times better for you and still much lower cost than something like extra virgin olive oil.

When I try to explain canola oil and how we use it in a restaurant sense here in Canada/USA to my friends and family in Europe, they have a mortified look and a genuine concern for our health. "We have a deep fryer where we cook 10 billion chicken wings, fish and chips, fries, nachos, calamari, dry ribs, breaded shrimp and everything else we can come up with in this oil. This oil may be changed once a week, in a quality restaurant, maybe 2-3 times a month in a lot of others"

Canola oil is bad enough and it's in way too much food, sauces, dressings and a lot more, even more so now with the cost of EVOO going through the roof. It's brutal on it's own but heating it up and altering it to the point where it's been used to cook everything described above is beyond absurd.

Things like this is not a conspiracy. It's common sense to people from literally the beginning of civilization of humans on earth and we have a long enough track record for it.

[curves2000]

Has anyone come out with any more information regarding the classified documents case from Mara-Lago and Trump? I know that they can't prosecute him as a sitting President and the special prosecutor will quite before he takes office. I am wondering if he will be able to release a preliminary report with all of the gathered evidence?

That was the trail that had the probability to be jaw dropping but everybody wasted money on "hush money trails" January 6th and the election interference. Those were all probably interesting as well but nothing like what the documents had the ability to be.

I am pretty convinced some of America's top military capabilities and strategies were in those documents. At the time Ukraine was undergoing a major counteroffensive and there was legit concern within the US government about a potential use of nuclear use in Ukraine as Putin considered that land officially Russia. I can see a scenario where documents that were on top of Trump's toilet had US Presidential military options in the event of a nuclear launch from an adversary.

Mind blowing and shocking how this case was not able to be brought to trail.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Compulsory to continue to work at your place of employment is quite a bit different from in the job description when you signed on.

Do you honestly think if your company says “Starting Monday, you must start doing X or you’re fired,” then doing X is voluntary? Losing your livelihood is pretty powerful means of coercion.

The Canadian government didn’t just mandate that frontline workers in public-facing jobs must be vaccinated. Every federal public servant, and every employee in federally regulated transportation industries, was hit with vaccine mandates. That clearly wasn’t a policy targeted at particular jobs or roles - hard to see why a rail router working on a laptop from home posed a particular risk to covid transmission. It was a blunt instrument meant to coerce as many Canadians as possible into getting the vaccine.

You might think those extreme measures were warranted. But that doesn’t mean they were any less coercive. Tens of thousands of Canadians who did not want to get vaccinated only did so because they couldn’t afford to lose their jobs.

You seem to have a very narrow definition of compulsory. Is insuring your vehicle compulsory in Alberta? Like almost everything else we call ‘compulsory’, nobody actually forces you to do it - you just get fined if you don’t.

OHS says you have a duty of care to protect your employees. This isn’t new. So again if your duty of care under occupations health and safety is coercive then it’s meaningless. An employer has to prevent exposure of their employees to PFAS chemicals is stopping the use of PFAS chemicals coercive?

Ive accepted your definition of compulsory. But given your broad definition of compulsory your argument is without merit. The requirement of a health and safety measure in a workplace or a change in health and safety measure in a work place is routine and a non event. These policies existed in many areas prior and employers likely had a duty to do something.

Essentially you are saying that any employer following the OHS laws or introducing any new policy to be followed is coercive. It’s a meaningless discussion with such a broad definition.

Everything the state does is a compulsion so it doesn’t matter