[Trade] Elias Lindholm to VAN for Kuzmenko, Brzustewicz, Jurmo, 2024 1st, cond 2024 4th

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Would be interesting. Waddell wouldn't pay Lindholm (or Hanifin) and let him walk. Any leftover hard feelings I wonder?

No, it's a business. All parties know what the players are worth, what the team's cap situation is and that tough decisions have to be made on both sides.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Dollars to donuts he's heading to Boston. Just a hunch.

A very good hunch

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Dollars to donuts he's heading to Boston. Just a hunch.

I don't think so, they need that money for Draisaitl.

[Royle9]

There’s been chatter he turned down the VAN offer because Boston *wink wink* didn’t interfere but did, I feel it’s the worst kept secret.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Would be interesting. Waddell wouldn't pay Lindholm (or Hanifin) and let him walk. Any leftover hard feelings I wonder?

According to reports at the time, it was the owner who didn't want to pay.

Not that the Hurricanes exactly let Lindholm walk. They got some damn good assets in exchange, even if they subsequently fooled most of them away.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Dollars to donuts he's heading to Boston. Just a hunch.

Lol hunch....

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Dollars to donuts he's heading to Boston. Just a hunch.

Last I checked, that was pretty much an even-money bet. Some places now, doughnuts are more than a dollar. Just sayin'.

[heep223]

This was simply excellent asset management by Conroy. Is this the highest price that’s been paid for a pure rental in the last 5+ years?

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by heep223

This was simply excellent asset management by Conroy. Is this the highest price that’s been paid for a pure rental in the last 5+ years?

Rental went for low 1st and B prospects all the time

Difference here is Kuzmenko. It’s debatable if he is an asset or cap dump. So far he is doing alright for the Flames.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Last I checked, that was pretty much an even-money bet. Some places now, doughnuts are more than a dollar. Just sayin'.

That’s why it is dollars (plural).

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think so, they need that money for Draisaitl.

I doubt anyone is saving money for the guys in Edmonton, certainly appears like they are all staying there.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Rental went for low 1st and B prospects all the time

Difference here is Kuzmenko. It’s debatable if he is an asset or cap dump. So far he is doing alright for the Flames.

Not sure how one can say that Hunter, who was leading the OHL in defensive scoring at the the time and was top 7 in league scoring is a B prospect.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

Rental went for low 1st and B prospects all the time

Difference here is Kuzmenko. It’s debatable if he is an asset or cap dump. So far he is doing alright for the Flames.

Ok? Lindholm wasn’t traded for a 1st and B prospect so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

He was traded for a 1st, a B prospect, another prospect, a middle six roster player with upside, and a 4th round pick. Show me a pure rental deal in the last 10 years that had a better return than that.

You can debate the nuances of the deal, whether Kuzmenko is any good, whether the prospect is A or B, but it doesn’t matter. Rentals don’t even go for 1st rounders anymore, this was a home run

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by heep223

Ok? Lindholm wasn’t traded for a 1st and B prospect so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.

He was traded for a 1st, a B prospect, a middle six roster player with upside, and a 4th round pick. Show me a pure rental deal in the last 10 years that had a better return than that.

You can debate the nuances of the deal, whether Kuzmenko is any good, whether the prospect is A or B, but it doesn’t matter. Rentals don’t even go for 1st rounders anymore, this was a home run

There were 2 prospects, one was a B prospect and the other prospect was not a B prospect.

[Burning Beard]

That poster would call Bedard a B prospect if he played for the Flames hahaha. It's his style.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I doubt anyone is saving money for the guys in Edmonton, certainly appears like they are all staying there.

Based on what? The ramblings of Oiler fanboys Frank Seravelli and Mark Spector?

[1qqaaz]

Brzustewicz is better than a B prospect. Easily one of the top 3 prospects in the entire organization. Coronato and Wolf might be ahead, but they're probably NHLers this year.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Not sure how one can say that Hunter, who was leading the OHL in defensive scoring at the the time and was top 7 in league scoring is a B prospect.

Pretty easy. Points don't mean a lot in evaluating a player. Very flawed players can put up massive numbers in juniors against boys. A player is the sum of their parts and there are concerns Brzustewicz is an incomplete player. This is why Vancouver was willing to give him up in the deal and not any of their top prospects. If a player didn't have warts they wouldn't be available for trade, their drafting team would sit on them.

I have no idea why people get so bent on having a prospect called a B level prospect. A B level prospect is still a good prospect, just with holes or limiting facts in their games. Every single one of the Flames top prospects are B level prospects. We have a lot of them. Doesn't mean they are bad, they just have limitations that could prevent them from making the NHL. Size is a problem for a lot of them. Two-way play is going to hurt others. Their skills translating is another big concern. The crucible of the pros will determine if these guys are going to be players but the concerns around their complete package is what makes them B prospects. No shame in that. Still means they have a legitimate chance in playing in the NHL.

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Brzustewicz is better than a B prospect. Easily one of the top 3 prospects in the entire organization. Coronato and Wolf might be ahead, but they're probably NHLers this year.

Coronato and Wolf are both B prospects. Both of them have factors that are working against them and have people skeptical at their games translating to the NHL.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Being reported that Lindholm turned down a 7x7 and is going to the free agent market

Rough outcome for Van


* Some positive news on this night!

Is he on drugs? If this is true I think he might be misunderstanding the market.

If someone offered him 7x7 he should have signed that before the ink was dry.

[Jiri Hrdina]

If we really want to get into semantics, because who doesn't enjoy that, I think he's a B+ prospect.