[Rumour] LeBrun: Flames, Devils reignite Markstrom trade talks (again); other teams interested

[Toonage]

^ Entirely speculation based on them suggesting they're looking for more grit

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Has Pospisil been linked to the Devils, or is this all speculation?

Speculation.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Has Pospisil been linked to the Devils, or is this all speculation?

Speculation on them wanting grit. They can find that elsewhere.

People acting like it needs to be a one-stop shop deal.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Speculation on them wanting grit. They can find that elsewhere.

People acting like it needs to be a one-stop shop deal.

Doesn't need to be. But it could be.

[dustygoon]

It's hard to find players like Hathaway, Pospisil, Ferland and Lomberg. But Pospisil's value will never be higher.

EDIT: I hate how i worded that. "Never"? He could get a bigger role and score more but offset with probability of injury = .

[Reggie Dunlop]

There's nothing in the system ready to replace Pospisil yet. Ciona maybe, but even in a best-case scenario that's a year or two away.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

There's nothing in the system ready to replace Pospisil yet. Ciona maybe, but even in a best-case scenario that's a year or two away.

Which is why I am hesitant to move him. He’s already extended to play here, he actually WANTS to play here.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Which is why I am hesitant to move him. He’s already extended to play here, he actually WANTS to play here.

He had to extend here

[howard_the_duck]

Zero issue moving Pospisil if it pushes the deal forward for a top-15 pick.

I love his skillset if the Flames were in compete now mode. A 29-year old version of Pospisil is a lot different than the current version. I worry his style and injury history won't age well.

He has significantly more value to a playoff/win-now team, and if the Flames can capitalize on that they should.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Has Pospisil been linked to the Devils, or is this all speculation?

He was linked to the Devils earlier this year.

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Remap your keyboard so you can refresh with the Print Screen button. Nobody has ever used that damn silly thing, so it doesn't matter if you wear it out.

Then switch back to F5 once the trade is finished.

Print screen was a essential key during the era of msn messenger

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

It's hard to find players like Hathaway, Pospisil, Ferland and Lomberg. But Pospisil's value will never be higher.

EDIT: I hate how i worded that. "Never"? He could get a bigger role and score more but offset with probability of injury = .

Add Bennett in there. May not have been what he is today, but was already a hard player who played heavy.

Pospisil’s value might never be higher. He might end up like Ferland and have a short career. But if this team ever wants to get back the identity of a team that’s hard to play against and will make guys pay a heavy price for every goal or win against them, they have to stop moving out the type of guys who will go through a wall for the team. And they especially have to stop moving out guys just as they’re making a name for themselves doing that.

Even if Pospisil doesn’t make it to the time we’re contenders again, you can tell he inspires guys and draws them into the fight. Keep him around and let the young guys take lessons on the value of playing hard.

I don’t think his value in a trade, even at its highest, matches his value to the team. People laugh at intangibles, but they matter. Iggy wasn’t the best ever to put on a Flames jersey and the only fit for captain just because of his points. He inspired guys to play hard, made other teams hate to play against him, and set the tone. Iggy without all the points wouldn’t have been the best player, but he still would’ve been important.

We need more Pospisils (and Bennetts, Ferlands, etc). Not less. (Also why I’d be happy to walk away with Lindstrom or Yakemchuk in the draft).

If a wild overpay comes along, you always consider it. But I have to shake my head at the perception of him as a throw-in to tip the scales in a trade. He’s more valuable than that.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

There's nothing in the system ready to replace Pospisil yet. Ciona maybe, but even in a best-case scenario that's a year or two away.

So? Fans are doing what they always do in overvaluing a player that had came out of nowhere and exceeded expectations. A year ago Pospisil wasn't even in the conversation for the future or present and now he's not replaceable? This team isn't going to be good for at least a few years so there's plenty of time to replace him from within the system. Besides this is all speculation and he may not even be a player that gets moved.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

So? Fans are doing what they always do in overvaluing a player that had came out of nowhere and exceeded expectations. A year ago Pospisil wasn't even in the conversation for the future or present and now he's not replaceable? This team isn't going to be good for at least a few years so there's plenty of time to replace him from within the system. Besides this is all speculation and there's a good chance he's not in any Flames discussions anyway.

Yeah, if he is the add in to get you a 10th overall then that is good value.

[Muta]

I absolutely love Pospisil's game (he's a dying breed), but his aggressive style has a shelf life, his concussions are now numerous, and his value will never be higher than it is now. He also came out of nowhere to establish himself as a permanent NHLer, so it's like found money.

Love the guy, but would move him now if we can. Not because I want to, but because it would be good asset management to do so.

[traptor]

I'd suggest that markstrom + pospisil for 10th oa is a massive overpay and the flames would be stupid to not take it.

[HighLifeMan]

It's strange how most of you believe that a player with 63 NHL games played is a finished product. This kid has an incredibly unique skillset.

"His value will never be higher"... based on what exactly? Is it possible? Sure, but it's also very possible he takes yet another step. What his value if he pops in 20 goals, 50 points, and 150 PIM's next year at a 1M dollar salary?

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

It's strange how most of you believe that a player with 63 NHL games played is a finished product. This kid has an incredibly unique skillset.

"His value will never be higher"... based on what exactly? Is it possible? Sure, but it's also very possible he takes yet another step. What his value if he pops in 20 goals, 50 points, and 150 PIM's next year at a 1M dollar salary?

I find it strange how Markstrom has almost no value, retention on Markstrom has almost no value and apparently Pospisil has little value.

Ottawa traded (at the time) the 12th overall pick (although they were tied in points with the 10th overall pick along with 2 second round picks for two full seasons of Chychrun. Ottawa was 5 points out of the playoffs with 22 games left at the time and had to pass 3 other teams and stay ahead of the two teams they were tied with to make the playoffs. They knew they were trading a high pick in a stronger draft than this years draft and still did it. I think people way over value the 10th overall pick based on recent history and how NHL teams seem to value those picks.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

"His value will never be higher"... based on what exactly? Is it possible? Sure, but it's also very possible he takes yet another step. What his value if he pops in 20 goals, 50 points, and 150 PIM's next year at a 1M dollar salary?

Fair, but he could also get a concussion (again) the first game and be out for a long time. He could also score 5 points and be a non-factor this year, and his first year was an aberration. Historically, Pospisil's type of play doesn't hold up for many years - it does have an expiry date. And if there's a high 1st in play and his name is thrown around to get you there, you have to consider all options.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

It's strange how most of you believe that a player with 63 NHL games played is a finished product. This kid has an incredibly unique skillset.

"His value will never be higher"... based on what exactly? Is it possible? Sure, but it's also very possible he takes yet another step. What his value if he pops in 20 goals, 50 points, and 150 PIM's next year at a 1M dollar salary?

I actually think this is quite possible. However i had written him off due to injuries last year, hes a really good middle six at your projection however i think the chances if him playing more than a year or two aren’t great.

but he was also a lower end of draft pick. To me thats found money. At 24 hes right at the start if his statistically most productive years which is great but not really doing anything but keeping us around ten pick instead of five.

He is a very good bottom six high energy player we got at the bottom of the draft who could be one hit from an ended career. We are loaded with wingers and i doubt any of our other wing prospects would return a top ten pick unless part if s package as well so i just see great return on value.

Aging goaltender and mid twenties mid to bottom six winger returns a top ten pick that would yield a top pairing defender? Thats easy for me.