[Trade] Flames trade Tanev (double retention) to Dallas for 2nd, cond. 3rd, Grushnikov

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am not sure if posted in the thread but Athletic trade grades have the Flames with a D and the Stars with an A,A+

Crazy
When it was rumoured that the ask was a first, the consensus was that no one was offering that much
When the actual return is a second and a prospect, it gets graded a D
Baffling

[browna]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

This was the best deal on the table, and this does have a really good chance of being a huge win down the road. It most certainly was NOT a lousy return for us to be upset with.

That may be the best deal on the table now, 9 days before the deadline.

IMO those prices were only going to go up for a pure rental guy like Tanev.

A guy with the character of Tanev is coveted, there is no real comparison available in his situation right now, so Dallas would've still been there this time next week, with more to offer, at worst...for example that conditional pick may not be conditional anymore, or nor would it be 2 years out.

[KipperFaNaTic]

Originally Posted by #-3

I think Sharangovic was a below par trade in the summer, a meh trade in the fall, and it was well into the winter before it really started feeling like a good trade. Let things take time.

I liked the sharangovic trade right when it happened. We got younger and a player with better puck handling and flare.

I hope I am wrong and that Grushnikov exceeds expectations in 3-5 years, but judging the trade right now, I am greatly disappointed.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by browna

That may be the best deal on the table now, 9 days before the deadline.

IMO those prices were only going to go up for a pure rental guy like Tanev.

A guy with the character of Tanev is coveted, there is no real comparison available in his situation right now, so Dallas would've still been there this time next week, with more to offer, at worst...for example that conditional pick may not be conditional anymore, or nor would it be 2 years out.

Or teams might have decided to pay less for a Hamonic or someone like that. Tanev was the best player of that ilk available. But sometimes teams decide to bargain hunt and see if a lesser player gets them to the same place. Hell, the Flames got a competent and very cheap 3rd pairing guy for free.

[browna]

Originally Posted by dino7c

These same outlets criticized the Flames when they signed him as a UFA

Maybe, but a 4 year deal had most of us here a little concerned too. Tanev for 3.5 months is a different story at a 25% cap hit.

My contention is that this deal would be even better from Dallas this time next week, even if Tanev sits out Saturday and Monday. They don't have another 1a) option like what Tanev brings.

[cannon7]

Stars recent second round picks? Robertson and Hintz.

They seemed to really like Grushnikov in 2021, who knows.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by activeStick

But why lol? That would mean the Flames could have had a better return... And I don't think you're a Leafs fan, are you? Could be wrong...

Because their fans wanted Tanev bad, and it adds to the sting for them if they didn’t get him purely due to their GM being Treliving and not because they wouldn’t pay what they needed to be the leading offer. Among other reasons.

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by activeStick

But why lol? That would mean the Flames could have had a better return... And I don't think you're a Leafs fan, are you? Could be wrong...

Yeah, I don’t get that either.

“I’m mad at Treliving so I will accept lower offers” is not a smart way to run the team, or really anything we should be proud of. They aren’t a rival team, not sure why any Flames fan even cares about Toronto any more than Dallas, who we actually do have a playoff history with.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by browna

That may be the best deal on the table now, 9 days before the deadline.

IMO those prices were only going to go up for a pure rental guy like Tanev.

A guy with the character of Tanev is coveted, there is no real comparison available in his situation right now, so Dallas would've still been there this time next week, with more to offer, at worst...for example that conditional pick may not be conditional anymore, or nor would it be 2 years out.

Uh huh. And what is the price for a Tanev who's injured for the rest of the season?

[Tkachukwagon]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1763038019475394753

[442scotty]

The negativity on here is so over the top. Some people need to chill omg!

[Atodaso]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I am not sure if posted in the thread but Athletic trade grades have the Flames with a D and the Stars with an A,A+

They must have graded in the literal sense since Tanev was an assistant Captain and Grushnikov is a Defenseman.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It was posted. And I asked how they graded the Toffoli trade.

The problem with trade grades is that they usually just compare players. In reality the grade should be against what other trades were available (a complete guess) and just riding to UFA (bad).

Another good point to consider is how would the Athletic grade the Toffoli trade now?

As Conroy pointed out the player we got in the Toffoli trade needed more opportunity. Something the Athletic couldn't forsee because they weren't looking at the same things from the perspective the Flames were.

It's useless to go by what the Athletic said because they're merely making an observation without likely having spent any time watching the player.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

The negativity on here is so over the top. Some people need to chill omg!

gonna be honest I think this thread is pretty tame

[slcrocket]

Originally Posted by KipperFaNaTic

Not gonna lie, I am very upset with this deal. We got a long shot NHLer (hopefully I’m wrong), and a 2nd rounder for our best dman…

Conroy is not dumb so I am just assuming that there was no market for a 1st for Tanev which is shocking.

Happy with the sharangovic and kuzmenko trade. Not happy with this.

I like Tanev as much as the next guy, but our best D? Weegar? Hanifin?

The guy is a reliable second pairing guy on a good team. We traded away 2 months of him (where we probably shouldn't be hoping for a playoff spot, in all honesty) for what I can only assume was comparable to the most competitive deals available. I see no reason why Conroy would take an inferior offer. You can argue the offers might have improved leading up to deadline day, but you can also argue they might not have.

He's 34. He's an injury risk because of how he plays the game. I think he's arguably our smartest defender but by no means our best. I don't know anything about the prospect we acquired, but I'm glad that during our arguably hottest stretch of the season Conroy isn't blinded to the fact that we needs picks and youth more than a first round exit.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by All In Good Time

Crazy
When it was rumoured that the ask was a first, the consensus was that no one was offering that much
When the actual return is a second and a prospect, it gets graded a D
Baffling

It’s complete nonsense to give anything less than a B for trade where you get younger players and/or picks for a UFA nearing the end of their career.

[FusionX]

Conroy is obviously patient as seen by how he's handled stuff thus far. They must like the prospect they're getting back. Additionally, this could be a message to other GMs to get their deals to him asap, as if he feels his price is met, the deal will be done.

Hopefully this, perhaps on paper, mediocre trade spurs more action for Hanifin, and my wish, Markstrom

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by browna

I agree with this from The Score. Not the "lost faith in Conroy part", but most of the rest of it.
Dallas is getting the peice it needs and the Flames really didn't make them pay a premium for it.

Trade grades: Stars hit home run with Tanev acquisition
https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2855798

"Hit home run"

Trade is 5 minutes old and nobody on either side has even played a minute of hockey yet.

These types of clickbait BS make me laugh.

One side gets graded A+ and other a D lmao

On a trade that literally just happened and includes assets that are either 20 years old and some that aren't even officially drafted players yet.

Not to mention, the price was pretty in line with multitudes of historical trades that involve an older pending UFA top 4 defenseman going the other way.

Yet somehow it's already a landslide victory for Dallas? haha

Takes me back to when the Flames were declared "the unanimous deadline day winners" back in 2009 when they loaded up and then promptly blew a double digit point lead for the division and then got KO'ed first round of the playoffs.

[browna]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

Uh huh. And what is the price for a Tanev who's injured for the rest of the season?

Tanev could be sat the next 3 games as a Flame, and still Dallas (among others) would be there next Thursday or Friday, with, IMO, a better offer than today's.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

Interesting that by involving NJ, who apparently had qualms about retention value in a potential Markstrom trade, that we can now say that 1.2 million is worth a 4th. What’s 50% of Markstroms salary over 2+ years worth now?

1.2 million for 23 games is worth a 4th. Theoretically 1.2 million for 184 games is worth eight 4th round picks.