2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Fan69

We are seeing his prime now. I am still on the throw the wallet at him and trade Anderson train. Hanifin is better now, will age better long term, and i think that teams will throw the bank at Anderson but their seems to be a stigma about Hanifin out there.

If the rumours are true flames have already opened their wallets to retain him. There are rumours that he is being offered $8 million per now by the flames . It’s in hanifins court now. I personally think he wants to go. I have to think that the trade speculation on trading Markstrom doesn’t help him wanting to stay, among other factors.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Bongsong

Again provide a source

That’s from Spittin’ chiclets - Rumour Boys. Which has a zero % track record I think.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Use Hanifin's performance surge (in a contract year) to maximize return. Get the most you can and move forward. The player has turned down a more than reasonable offer for what he is, don't allow a short spurt of over-performance to cloud your judgement. Get a good return and be happy. The same goes for Tanev, Markstrom, and any other player who doesn't fit in long-term.

That is why the comment of overplaying one's hand. Have a plan and execute. Yes, plans need to be malleable, but not to the point of causing them to fail. Understand where your commodities fit into the larger plan and recognize when it is time to move them. When you have an over-performing asset like Hanifin and Markstrom, who will not be here for your planned 2027 debutant ball, move them and get the assets that will move the team forward. Getting a possible future core player out of a Markstrom trade is one that should be leveraged. Don't overplay it by asking for more when you get that possible core piece. If the Flames could turn Markstrom into just Holtz or Mercer (most likely Holtz) that is a core piece for the next six to ten years for a player that will be long out of the game ion the same window. That's a huge win. Turning Hanifin and Tanev into assets that fill gaps is just as important and can't be overplayed like some are suggesting (taking it to the wire to possibly squeeze teams). This will be a transformative trade deadline for the team one way or another. This can't be screwed up.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Reading fan forums is a terrible way to draw such a conclusion about a player
Necas would be a tremendous add

True. A random person dropping in on CP would come away with some strange takes on various players.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by flambers

Its speculated that the player has told the Flames, shortly after the all-star break that his decision is to leave. (as per Fan60).

Flames need to respect that and move on

Eric Francis was on Gregors radio show on Friday. His claim was that after thinking about the Flames offer pretty seriously he decided he's going to the market. Francis speculates that he will end up somewhere in the South where he can go to work in flip flops. Cites Tkachuck as a guy who would advise him on that.

It is Francis so discount as much as you like. But I think it's Chrystal clear that Hanifin has advised the Flames that he wants to go to the marke.

Francis did push back a bit on the notion of the Flames not retaining salary on a Markstrom deal when that came up. He claimed that salary retention in a deal is an option for Conroy. But Conroy and the Flames think that them paying half a salary is worth a fair chunk.

I can see why. Im trading my best player, and you want me to pay half his salary for you the next two plus seasons when his AAV is not out of line with his peers to begin with. I would not give that away either.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Knut

That’s from Spittin’ chiclets - Rumour Boys. Which has a zero % track record I think.

Bissonnette and Whitney are brain dead hockey bros. Nothing that comes from that podcast should be taken as anything but sophomoric frat boy humor.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Bissonnette and Whitney are brain dead hockey bros. Nothing that comes from that podcast should be taken as anything but sophomoric frat boy humor.

It’s from Matt Murley I think. Point still stands. It’s entertainment not news.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I still would love to see a deal with Dallas involving Bourque
Hanifin would round out their d so nicely
And deals with Dallas seem to work out well for both sides

[cannon7]

Robert Thomas, Jordan Kyrou benched late as Blues embarrassed by Red Wings

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I still would love to see a deal with Dallas involving Bourque
Hanifin would round out their d so nicely
And deals with Dallas seem to work out well for both sides

Miro also plays the right side so he could play the top pairing and likely compliment him very well.

Have to think Dallas would want an extension in place if they were giving up Bourque + other assets.

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by Flames1217

Miro also plays the right side so he could play the top pairing and likely compliment him very well.

Have to think Dallas would want an extension in place if they were giving up Bourque + other assets.

A Hanifin to Dallas deal has to start with Stankoven.

DAL
Hanifin (50% retained, signed 8 x $7.5MM)

CGY
Stankoven
Bischel
2025 3rd

[Flames1217]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

A Hanifin to Dallas deal has to start with Stankoven

Really doubt it.

I like Hanifin as much as the next poster but Stankoven is a top 10 prospect league-wide.

Under almost no circumstances do I see Dallas moving Stankoven for a rental.

Bourque is their second best prospect and plays a position that Dallas is already very deep at for the foreseeable future. He is much more expendable.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by daveinspruce

Apparently Ottowa is open to trading Brady Tkachuk. Cost will probably be absolutely insane tho!

Not directed at you but......

Silly season has arrived.

[FBI]

Come on just give us ONE of the 3 big trades soon here. Spread em out

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

A Hanifin to Dallas deal has to start with Stankoven.

DAL
Hanifin (50% retained, signed 8 x $7.5MM)

CGY
Stankoven
Bischel
2025 3rd

Then he's not going to Dallas.

Much less adding other pieces.

[Enoch Root]

I can't believe there are multiple posters saying "up the offer" to Hanifin, because he's been playing well.

Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great player (I rate him higher than most people here, I think), but you don't make organizational decisions with that kind of ride-the-momentum, recency bias.

The Flames made a reasonable offer - 8 x $7.5M - which most people thought was either fair or too much, and Hanifin made his decision. Fine. Trade him and get a fair return on the asset.

But now some of you want to up the offer to $8-8.5M at the last minute, just because he's been o a roll. News flash: sometimes guys play well in contract years. Panicking, and throwing the vault at him last minute, is not how you run an organization.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I can't believe there are multiple posters saying "up the offer" to Hanifin, because he's been playing well.

Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great player (I rate him higher than most people here, I think), but you don't make organizational decisions with that kind of ride-the-momentum, recency bias.

The Flames made a reasonable offer - 8 x $7.5M - which most people thought was either fair or too much, and Hanifin made his decision. Fine. Trade him and get a fair return on the asset.

But now some of you want to up the offer to $8-8.5M at the last minute, just because he's been o a roll. News flash: sometimes guys play well in contract years. Panicking, and throwing the vault at him last minute, is not how you run an organization.

To be clear I didn't mean up the contract offer.

I meant as a GM of a contender trying to win a cup I'd up the trade offer

[PepsiFree]

Gotta agree. I’m all for keeping Hanifin. But we tried it. 7.5M is fair, imo. He hasn’t signed, so you move on.

I haven’t read through everything so I missed anyone saying up the offer, but I would treat that like the idea of keeping Hanifin and trading Andersson: it’s nonsense.

On Andersson, you hear the way he talks and this is a guy who is future captain material. He’s super underrated here and sounds like a guy who actually wants to be here, is close in conversation with Conroy and Huska, and goes to bat for his team.

Trading him is the kind of move that takes the air out of a room. We’re trying to build contender here and sure, you need to make moves to build the talent to achieve that, but this would be an Andrew Ference like trade except you’re dealing a player that is that much better to go along with those “intangibles.” Huge mistake imo. Run with Weegar/Andersson/Kylington through the transition and this team is going to be in great shape.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I can't believe there are multiple posters saying "up the offer" to Hanifin, because he's been playing well.

Don't get me wrong, I think he is a great player (I rate him higher than most people here, I think), but you don't make organizational decisions with that kind of ride-the-momentum, recency bias.

The Flames made a reasonable offer - 8 x $7.5M - which most people thought was either fair or too much, and Hanifin made his decision. Fine. Trade him and get a fair return on the asset.

But now some of you want to up the offer to $8-8.5M at the last minute, just because he's been o a roll. News flash: sometimes guys play well in contract years. Panicking, and throwing the vault at him last minute, is not how you run an organization.

I completely agree. Besides if he's having so many doubts about staying in CGY, so that an overpayment is the only solution, then he'd be miserable a couple of years into a rebuild.

[Enoch Root]

Again, is there a source for this?:

Originally Posted by daveinspruce

NJ declined a major trade with Nashville.
The rejected offer was Soros,Alexandre Carrier with 50% retained for
Dawson Mercer,Seamus Casey,Akira Schmid, 1st round pick 2024, and a second round pick in 2025.

Assuming for the sake of argument that it's true...

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hm a lot to unpack here if true.

- NJ does seem to be after a rhd along with a goalie
- price for saros is high
- other teams are after Mercer

Alex carrier is similar to tanev but younger. Could be more of a long term piece for NJ.

Call me crazy but I'd do Marky and tanev for just Mercer and the 1st if we're comparing offers.

You're crazy.

Someone offers their asset for $1M, and you have a similar asset, you don't offer it for $500k, you offer it for $950k

It has been reported multiple times that Jersey prefers Markstrom to Saros, and Brodeur came right out and stated it publicly - it is a fact that they think Markstrom is a better fit for their organization. He also has one more year on
his contract. (yes, Saros is younger).

Carrier is younger than Tanev, but Tanev is better.

Overall, a Markstrom-Tanev package is, at worst, pretty similar to a Saros-Carrier package, and arguably better. NSH asked for Mercer + Casey + Schmid + 2024 1st + 2025 2nd

So why would you ask for Mercer + 1st? The ask should be something like Mercer + Casey + 2024 1st + 2025 3rd. Let them keep Schmid, and if need be, let them keep the 2025 pick (though I wouldn't).

But no way do you drop Casey, Schmid AND the 2nd from the deal. That's just horrible negotiating.