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Old 02-01-2024, 12:19 AM   #18861
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I see this being the case.

Tanev traded not too far down the line then Hanifin either inks an extension or is traded at the 11th hour.

This is definitely a huge domino to fall. I wouldn't hate teams spicing up a normally borish all-star break with some moves.
Friedman suggested the other day that the flames have asked Hanifin to give them a decision on extending when he gets back from the all star break. We could have some clarity (maybe not necessarily a trade) as early as next week if Hanifin’s answer is leaked. My guess is he does not extend and is traded.

If Hanifin is open to a sign-and-trade/agreeing to an extension before being traded, I would think the flames will likely sort out an agreed upon trade from a team wanting to talk an extension with Hanifin before they allow them to talk. For example, if Detroit only wanted to trade for Hanifin if he is willing to sign, the flames would work out a trade with Detroit first before allowing them to talk to Hanifin about an extension. If Hanifin’s discussions don’t go well with Detroit, the deal is scrapped. If they do, the deal is already agreed to and Hanifin is traded and then extended.
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Old 02-01-2024, 12:40 AM   #18862
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Agreed, higher first is best.

But - love the hedge
But if nucks make the WCF that means the oilers dont.... so there's that. I take the 3rd and run.
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Old 02-01-2024, 12:45 AM   #18863
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Unless a team blows you out of the water, I just dont see Coleman moving. Have that conversation in the summer.

I do wonder how the rest of the league views Mangiapane these days. A team looking for some scoring depth could be poking around a guy like him. With maximum retention, he could be an attractive piece.

Ever since he got his payday, he just seems like he's in no mans land. He's young, so do the Flames consider him a warm body for the rebuild? Hard to say. He was such a hot commodity coming off his 30 goals season, and his performance at the Worlds.
This would be my dark horse trade this year. Retention would be for this year and next, and a team picking him up for under 3 million would be pretty attractive. The Flames don't have to be a cap team next year.
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Old 02-01-2024, 12:58 AM   #18864
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How would be feel about berggren + detroits 1st as a base for Hanifin assuming we cant get Kasper or Danielson
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Old 02-01-2024, 04:19 AM   #18865
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How would be feel about berggren + detroits 1st as a base for Hanifin assuming we cant get Kasper or Danielson
I would trade Hanifin straight-up for either Kasper or Danielson, but the Wings would never do it, unfortunately. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not big on Berggren...
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Old 02-01-2024, 05:17 AM   #18866
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Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but Garrioch says the Kings are the new team interested in Tanev….
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Old 02-01-2024, 05:51 AM   #18867
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I think Lindholm had the most potential for a crappy return. Makes me optimistic for the Tanev and Hanifin trades.
I wonder if they can get Kakko for one the late 1sts.
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Old 02-01-2024, 06:03 AM   #18868
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A couple days ago, Friedman said the Blackhawks were interested in Kuzmenko. They want to add scoring without too much term. Wonder if there is another move here
There is still time to pump up Kuzmenko's numbers before a deadline trade. If he can get been to a 30+ goal pace in Calgary, he could get a decent return.
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Old 02-01-2024, 06:46 AM   #18869
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Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but Garrioch says the Kings are the new team interested in Tanev….
Given the center situation I wonder if they try to do something around turcotte and a pick.
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Old 02-01-2024, 06:55 AM   #18870
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Don't know why but it seems when we all try to guess which young prospect is coming back, its wrong. I wouldn't expect anyone we know at this point in any of these deals. Not necessarily a bad thing, just that maybe the people suggesting teams aren't trading their top prospects are right.
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Old 02-01-2024, 07:06 AM   #18871
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With the haul we got, I really am 50/50 on Hanifin.

If you can get a similar haul you can’t help but wonder that Conroy is willing to give him up. It’s also hard to find another d-man of Hanifin’s caliber, who is a good 2/3 D on ANY team.
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Old 02-01-2024, 07:10 AM   #18872
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Hanifin can go. Backlund can go with him. Goodnight Irene.
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Old 02-01-2024, 08:03 AM   #18873
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There is still time to pump up Kuzmenko's numbers before a deadline trade. If he can get been to a 30+ goal pace in Calgary, he could get a decent return.
At $5.5M next year, he's going no where until perhaps next trade deadline.
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Old 02-01-2024, 08:07 AM   #18874
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Don't know why but it seems when we all try to guess which young prospect is coming back, its wrong. I wouldn't expect anyone we know at this point in any of these deals. Not necessarily a bad thing, just that maybe the people suggesting teams aren't trading their top prospects are right.
Contending teams don't historically trade NHL ready prospects for rentals, as those are the exact type of players those teams need to remain cap compliant in the next years to come.

They'll trade draft picks, as those players are years away.

The Canucks gave up Hunter as he's a PP QB with defensive deficiencies.

Calgary can utilize that skillset, the Canucks already have Quinn Hughes, so that's a prospect they can afford to trade. A decent enough prospect, but he wasn't cracking the Canuck lineup anytime soon.
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Old 02-01-2024, 08:13 AM   #18875
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Pretty obvious now that Avs never offered Bo Byram for Lindholm. We can put that one to rest.
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How would be feel about berggren + detroits 1st as a base for Hanifin assuming we cant get Kasper or Danielson
Gimme older Buium over Bergren. I've come around on that proposal entirely (Sandman)
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Old 02-01-2024, 08:48 AM   #18877
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Well sounds like Tanev is the next hot asset for the trade deadline, over 15+ teams in on him (want wise). I've got a good feeling we could see a huge haul for him as well now.

Couple that with potentially Hanifin becoming available, my lord it could all be happening.
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But if nucks make the WCF that means the oilers dont.... so there's that. I take the 3rd and run.
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I've heard a couple of times that there isn't much difference in the back end of the first round anyway so Id rather the Oilers be out no later than the second round and us getting a third.
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Old 02-01-2024, 08:52 AM   #18879
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Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but Garrioch says the Kings are the new team interested in Tanev….
would love Alex Laferriere. Kings are deep at RW (Kempe, Byfield and Kaliyev)
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Old 02-01-2024, 08:55 AM   #18880
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Pretty obvious now that Avs never offered Bo Byram for Lindholm. We can put that one to rest.
Yep. It appears a lot of interested teams were offering crap returns given Conroy circled back to them and none of them could match the Canucks offer. Hopefully this sets a precedent for teams interested in Flames players that you either make a solid offer or you sit back and watch your potential playoff rivals get stronger.
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