[PGT] Scoringoalvich 2, Green Bags of Grease 3 in SO

[D as in David]

I don't think it is a way of solving Huberdeau's woes but Mangy should be put back with Backlund and Coleman as they comprise a solid line. At some point, they may just have to throw up their hands on getting Huberdeau going this season and put him on the 4th line. Possibly, try putting him with Pelletier if he comes back this year.

[ForeverFlameFan]

https://scoutingtherefs.com/2023/12/...shootout-goal/

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

https://scoutingtherefs.com/2023/12/...shootout-goal/

So then any time a goalie poke checks the puck, the skater can go get it and shoot it in the net?

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Certainly more interesting to watch.

But really question is how long the "rebuild" is going to last and how many of these players/coaches will be part of a team that is competitive again.

I have no idea but cheering for losses is lame and not something I will ever do. Guess I'll just cheer that they do well in the lottery.

In a season like this I'm cheering for the individual players that are going to stay here long term. Every step the likes of Zary, Pospisil, or Wolf take in their development is a W. Every fun creative play, or high danger save are a reason to cheer.

Guys like Weegar, Andersson, and Sharangovich also give me plenty to cheer, even though they might be gone before the rebuild is over.

At the end of the day I'm cheering because I love hockey, so either the Flames are winning, or they're increasing their chance of bringing in younger more talented and exciting players. The Stanley cup is the destination, but why not enjoy the journey? We lost 1 meaningless point, we got a great performance by Sharangovich, and Vladar.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

So then any time a goalie poke checks the puck, the skater can go get it and shoot it in the net?

From my understanding they’re saying zuccarello never shot it, but doesn’t Vladar’s poke check negate any further touching of the puck? I don’t know.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I don't think it is a way of solving Huberdeau's woes but Mangy should be put back with Backlund and Coleman as they comprise a solid line. At some point, they may just have to throw up their hands on getting Huberdeau going this season and put him on the 4th line. Possibly, try putting him with Pelletier if he comes back this year.

I do think there is a path to that TBH

Sharangovich-Lindholm - Coronato
Zary - Kadri - Pospisil
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Huberdeau - Dube - Pelletier

Something like that would be interesting to try once Pelletier is back.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Tron_fdc

And then they traded him!

Guy is on pace for near 30 goals and is an effective defensive player; he’s worth WAY more than Toffoli on a far more expensive expiring contract.

He did get off to a slow start but has been fire lately. Let's hope he just took a while to get used to the new city, teammates and system instead of him being a streaky player.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

From my understanding they’re saying zuccarello never shot it, but doesn’t Vladar’s poke check negate any further touching of the puck? I don’t know.

You would think so wouldn’t you

Rather brutal that they let that stand

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

From my understanding they’re saying zuccarello never shot it, but doesn’t Vladar’s poke check negate any further touching of the puck? I don’t know.

Makes no sense, unless the fact it was a bad poke check and the puck kept going forward (sorta) means anything. Otherwise a poke check that sends the puck to the blueline could just be recovered and shot.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Makes no sense, unless the fact it was a bad poke check and the puck kept going forward (sorta) means anything. Otherwise a poke check that sends the puck to the blueline could just be recovered and shot.

That's the key part of it.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do think there is a path to that TBH

Sharangovich-Lindholm - Coronato
Zary - Kadri - Pospisil
Mangiapane - Backlund - Coleman
Huberdeau - Dube - Pelletier

Something like that would be interesting to try once Pelletier is back.

Not sure if Coronato is ready for top line minutes. Otherwise I agree with your strategy. Don’t give extra minutes to Huberdeau or Dube.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

In a season like this I'm cheering for the individual players that are going to stay here long term. Every step the likes of Zary, Pospisil, or Wolf take in their development is a W. Every fun creative play, or high danger save are a reason to cheer.

Guys like Weegar, Andersson, and Sharangovich also give me plenty to cheer, even though they might be gone before the rebuild is over.

At the end of the day I'm cheering because I love hockey, so either the Flames are winning, or they're increasing their chance of bringing in younger more talented and exciting players. The Stanley cup is the destination, but why not enjoy the journey? We lost 1 meaningless point, we got a great performance by Sharangovich, and Vladar.

I’m in the same space. As long as the games are interesting I’ll keep watching. Even though they might finish last. It’s been a weird season so far.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

From my understanding they’re saying zuccarello never shot it, but doesn’t Vladar’s poke check negate any further touching of the puck? I don’t know.

This is the frustrating part. They introduce subjectivity into the review. Listening to the justification, the skater can resume a shot attempt even after the goalie has interfered with progression. Suddenly now, the shot attempt is the defining factor. If this is the case, then anytime a skater loses the handle on the puck and it accidentally slides through the goalie into the goal, it should be waved off, because there was no actual shot attempt. I mean, you can't have it both ways, can you?

Quit allowing refs to make subjective calls; they are almost certainly going to be wrong. It's unbelievable how these calls butcher a good game. In this case, it is the Flames in the shoot-out. We already know they're going to lose, so can we just lose normally without new ref-inspired ways to do so...

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Huska did try different players in the SO.

So far this year we tried: Huberdeau(0/4), Kadri(0/3), ,Zary(0/2), Lindholm(0/1), Andersson(0/1), Dube(0/1).

* Coleman missed on a penalty shot this year, so he's also technically (0/1).

Huberdeau was actually pretty good in the shootout throughout his career. He has the 2nd most SO goals in panther history with 18. He had 4/7 last year.

When we combine the last 2 years:
Sharangovich 3/4 (75%)
Andersson 2/5 (40%)
Huberdeau 4/11 (36.4%)
Kadri 1/9 (11%)
---
Backlund 0/4
Dube 0/2
Zary 0/2
Lindholm 0/1
Ruzicka 0/1

So who do we try? Pospisil? Coleman? Greer? Ruzicka(again)? Mangiapane? Weegar? Hanifin?

What’s Schlemko up to these days?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Huska did try different players in the SO.

So far this year we tried: Huberdeau(0/4), Kadri(0/3), ,Zary(0/2), Lindholm(0/1), Andersson(0/1), Dube(0/1).

* Coleman missed on a penalty shot this year, so he's also technically (0/1).

Huberdeau was actually pretty good in the shootout throughout his career. He has the 2nd most SO goals in panther history with 18. He had 4/7 last year.

When we combine the last 2 years:
Sharangovich 3/4 (75%)
Andersson 2/5 (40%)
Huberdeau 4/11 (36.4%)
Kadri 1/9 (11%)
---
Backlund 0/4
Dube 0/2
Zary 0/2
Lindholm 0/1
Ruzicka 0/1

So who do we try? Pospisil? Coleman? Greer? Ruzicka(again)? Mangiapane? Weegar? Hanifin?

Rasmus Andersson should understand he’s not in the shootout to slow dance it in from the red line.

You put Rasmus Andersson in the shootout so he can wind up and take a clapper from inside the hash marks that’s either gonna go in or hurt.

And you put that out first.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Certainly more interesting to watch.

But really question is how long the "rebuild" is going to last and how many of these players/coaches will be part of a team that is competitive again.

I have no idea but cheering for losses is lame and not something I will ever do. Guess I'll just cheer that they do well in the lottery.

Nobody really knows. Some people may think this is more of a retool but once they sell off all the the pending UFA's this roster is going to be one of the worst in the NHL and there's nothing in free agency or the prospect base that's going to prevent that. The Flames won't be the first team to head into a rebuild kicking and screaming as eventually the lack of talent in pipelines and roster always catches up with organizations. I like that the effort level has been there most nights and would rather watch a bad team putting in the effort night after night than a mediocre bubble team going through the motions. You have to have realistic expectations and embrace the process of rebuilding as make no mistake, this team is heading into a rebuild.

[timun]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

Huby now top 10 in the NHL in minus/plus!!!

Tied with one Mr. John Gaudreau of the Columbus Blue Jackets. Not that they're interrelated, but the parallels are super-amusing to me. Gaudreau has one more point in one more game played. Amazing how quickly two great players who finished with 115 points two seasons ago have aged like milk and are shells of their former selves 18 months later.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by timun

Tied with one Mr. John Gaudreau of the Columbus Blue Jackets. Not that they're interrelated, but the parallels are super-amusing to me. Gaudreau has one more point in one more game played. Amazing how quickly two great players who finished with 115 points two seasons ago have aged like milk and are shells of their former selves 18 months later.

It's documentary worthy crazy that they both are having the same collapse at the same time

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Huska did try different players in the SO.

So far this year we tried: Huberdeau(0/4), Kadri(0/3), ,Zary(0/2), Lindholm(0/1), Andersson(0/1), Dube(0/1).

* Coleman missed on a penalty shot this year, so he's also technically (0/1).

Huberdeau was actually pretty good in the shootout throughout his career. He has the 2nd most SO goals in panther history with 18. He had 4/7 last year.

When we combine the last 2 years:
Sharangovich 3/4 (75%)
Andersson 2/5 (40%)
Huberdeau 4/11 (36.4%)
Kadri 1/9 (11%)
---
Backlund 0/4
Dube 0/2
Zary 0/2
Lindholm 0/1
Ruzicka 0/1

So who do we try? Pospisil? Coleman? Greer? Ruzicka(again)? Mangiapane? Weegar? Hanifin?

Vladar

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by D as in David

I don't think it is a way of solving Huberdeau's woes but Mangy should be put back with Backlund and Coleman as they comprise a solid line. At some point, they may just have to throw up their hands on getting Huberdeau going this season and put him on the 4th line. Possibly, try putting him with Pelletier if he comes back this year.

Put him on the 4th line until you can resurrect the French connection.