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[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by calf

The way the kids are playing, this isn't a rebuild, it's a takeover.

A Youth D'etat

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Call me crazy but I think if the Flames play their cards right they can have this ship turned around in 3-4 years.

They have Zary, Pelletier, Pospisil, Coronato, and hopefully Honzek in the pipeline already. They also have a couple promising young defenseman in Solovoyov and Poirier.

They also have guys that, while they aren’t kids, aren’t old in Dube, Mangiapane, and Andersson who can stick around as mentors for the young kids.

They also have arguably the best goalie prospect in the world in Wolf.

They have a solid base for a solid supporting cast. If the Flames can bottom out and draft in the top 3-5 the next 2-3 years and draft some elite talent I think they’re in good shape. They desperately need elite talent, but otherwise I think they’re tracking okay.

Draft 2 high end centres and an elite defenseman and I think this ship gets turned around quickly.

Yeah, this season is a massive opportunity. Making use of Tanev, Zadorov, Hanifin and Lindholm in trades for picks and prospects is absolutely huge in how fast this goes - as is the Calgary Flames 1st and 2nd round picks in the 2024 draft.

If we can get a top-5 pick in 2024, and then again a pick in the 30's with the 2nd rounder, it's massive.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Hackey

The Flames don't have a single elite player. A re-tool would be almost as dumb as their recent strategy of trying to stay competitive.

Wolf and Zary might be in 3 years.

That said, I agree.

A retool is useless. This whole thing needs a foundation upon which to build. No one's going to trade you pieces of a good core through hockey trades where teams know you're being forced to deal these players.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

The amount of time we spend debating a completely subjective topic is actually quite funny. Rebuild vs Re-tool (re-build vs. Retool) is basically us debating a marketing slogan.

In the context we are talking, these concepts are pretty fluid. Where does a re-tool turn into a rebuild? What pushes it from one to another. Im guessing for every fan it’s different. I think we should worry less about what the GM or the press (or our owners) call it, and just see what comes from the moves. Rebuild or retool pretty major changes are coming, and it’s going to be exciting.

If the Flames sell off only the pending UFAs and use the money freed up to get into the UFA market in the summer, it’s a retool. If they deal non-UFAs from the roster, and steer clear of anything more than bargain-bin players in UFA, then it’s a rebuild. Probably won’t know which it is until the draft.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

The only way you can retool this with any measure of success is if you can deal all these guys for some low key good 20-25 year olds and trick two of Pettersson, Reinhart and Kane into signing in the summer.

And chances of that are zero.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

The only way you can retool this with any measure of success is if you can deal all these guys for some low key good 20-25 year olds and trick two of Pettersson, Reinhart and Kane into signing in the summer.

Those three particular players and no others, hmm? Seems oddly specific.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by browna

Backlund held out simply to say he can put "NHL captain" on his resume for when he goes into a Swedish hall of fame, and he's going through the motions at best with some bad turnovers these past games.

I'm sure there's an unofficial handshake agreement to extend after the two years and he hands off the captaincy while plays another year, but if some one is interested now, trade him too.

Backlund is at the top of the team in pretty much every play driving metric.

Have literally zero issue with Backlund's effort so fart this season. He and Coleman are bankable for showing up every game. They're both just under 60% in expected goals.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Yeah, this season is a massive opportunity. Making use of Tanev, Zadorov, Hanifin and Lindholm in trades for picks and prospects is absolutely huge in how fast this goes - as is the Calgary Flames 1st and 2nd round picks in the 2024 draft.

If we can get a top-5 pick in 2024, and then again a pick in the 30's with the 2nd rounder, it's massive.

Calgary got late first round picks for Iggy and Boumeester also.

Other than the top top picks, even players that pan out often take 4-5years to really establish themselves.

Assuming Calgary rebuilds ( and it’s surprising that this is still in doubt), it won’t be quick.

But much better to start with a bevy of extra picks than none at all.

But I actually expect Calgary to climb back into the playoff race. They simply are not that bad. I just hope it doesn’t prevent the flames from doing what needs to be done.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Calgary got late first round picks for Iggy and Boumeester also.

Other than the top top picks, even players that pan out often take 4-5years to really establish themselves.

Assuming Calgary rebuilds ( and it’s surprising that this is still in doubt), it won’t be quick.

But much better to start with a bevy of extra picks than none at all.

But I actually expect Calgary to climb back into the playoff race. They simply are not that bad. I just hope it doesn’t prevent the flames from doing what needs to be done.

It depends, if they end up trading Zadorov, Lindholm, Hanifin, and Tanev - even 2 of those 4, then we likely will be bad enough to get a top 10 pick this year.

[memphusk]

Get enough picks and start trading up instead of trading down.

[MrMike]

Send Backlund over to Florida for nothing, make sure they do not finish bottom ten in the next two drafts.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Backlund is at the top of the team in pretty much every play driving metric.

Have literally zero issue with Backlund's effort so fart this season. He and Coleman are bankable for showing up every game. They're both just under 60% in expected goals.

In before the “he stinks” jokes.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by VilleN

It depends, if they end up trading Zadorov, Lindholm, Hanifin, and Tanev - even 2 of those 4, then we likely will be bad enough to get a top 10 pick this year.

If we trade them before Christmas, then yes. If we trade them at the deadline, we may well finish 17th-22nd.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Get enough picks and start trading up instead of trading down.

Traded down for Zary.

[ForeverFlameFan]

with the way Markstrom has been playing, I think a GM would take a flier on him at 2.5 seasons. 6m for Markstrom is not bad at all, in fact, I'd say that's the perfect term to take a gamble on a goalie. A team like Jersey should look into that.

[Bingo]

Calgary has unearthed some games past the 2nd round in recent drafts, that will play a huge role in the retool or rebuild as well.

Get some top sixty picks for sure, but continue to add to the system with the additional picks as well.

Historically a package of say a 1st and a 5th doesn't get your attention vs just a 1st, but with this group there's some hope they rake more players into the fold.

[I_H8_Crawford]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Calgary has unearthed some games past the 2nd round in recent drafts, that will play a huge role in the retool or rebuild as well.

Get some top sixty picks for sure, but continue to add to the system with the additional picks as well.

Historically a package of say a 1st and a 5th doesn't get your attention vs just a 1st, but with this group there's some hope they rake more players into the fold.

Based on history, Flames should look for 1st and 4th as they seem to hit home runs there more often than anywhere else lol

[Buff]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I'm shook.

Not stirred?

[FlamesAreOne]

Kadri and Marky's value keep rising if we truly are doing a scorched earth rebuild.

We could land some enormously impressive assets after shipping off Lindholm, Hanifin, Tanev, Zadorov, Markstrom... Kadri (?).

Huberdeau we are quite frankly stuck with in ever situation imaginable.

[The Fisher Account]

I think we gotta keep Kadri and Hubey to hit the cap floor if we do a fire sale, no?