Israel declares war on Hamas

[Fl4me5]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Did I miss the part that said the 3 arrests in calgary were all pro-palestine? Or is your bigotry showing?

What on earth are talking about? And what a classic attempt to deflect by accusing me.

I don't know you as human, so I have no reason to hate you. But as a poster you are a merchant of excuses and justification for terror.

One post in and I'm already done engaging with you. A stain on this community you are.

[undercoverbrother]

132 pages and nearly found the solution

many posters remain open to the thoughts and concepts from the other side

[transplant99]

[Bagor]

Originally Posted by Fl4me5

Hate exists everywhere. Cherry picking does not make a point. Large scale evidence does.

Yes it does. In the eyes of the rest of the world.

In Israel.
In Gaza.

Give are the days when people would be silenced by the ridiculous suggestion of being antisemitic or Pro Hamas by pointing that out.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by transplant99

dumb

Lol, I didn't realize you'd become a twit.

[zunie75]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Not sure if you're being funny or don't realize this is fake?

[Fuzz]

Transplant99 gets their news from the best sources, dammit. Even when they strip it from the post.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

132 pages and nearly found the solution

many posters remain open to the thoughts and concepts from the other side

I remember reading about a study done on the effects of debate on opposing participants.

The most likely outcome by far was that the participants left the debate even more convinced of the correctness of their position than before they started a dialogue.

We are a bat#### crazy species.

[Fuzz]

Oh look, it's from the Babylon Bee...in 2021.


https://babylonbee.com/news/ilhan-om...id-of-all-jews

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Fl4me5

What on earth are talking about? And what a classic attempt to deflect by accusing me.

I don't know you as human, so I have no reason to hate you. But as a poster you are a merchant of excuses and justification for terror.

One post in and I'm already done engaging with you. A stain on this community you are.

I really don't understand the point you tried to make.

Pro palestine protesters are bad because of isolated incidents, but pro israel folks are good despite of isolated incidents?

Weird take.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

How come there aren't any Palestinian protests against Hamas itself?

Because the Palestinians see them as the only interest willing to stand up for them and make any statement on their behalf. I've said this numerous times in this thread. You want the Palestinians to turn on Hamas it is as easy as treating them (the Palestinians) better than Hamas treats them. Shouldn't be too hard a challenge, but Israel keeps going in the wrong direction and treats them worse forcing them further in support of a monstrous terrorist organization. It was the strategy that brought about the end of ISIS and it will be a similar strategy that brings about the end of Hamas.

Israel has a massive opportunity here. They can show compassion to the average Palestinian and start winning hearts and minds. Show they are the good guys and not the evil empire wanting to put a boot on the collective people of the region. Show Hamas as the animals they are and how their violence also affected more than just Jews. Get the message out that self-determination is possible in short order so long as Hamas is brought to their knees and tried for what they did. That requires courage and a plan. That is how we get out of this mess long-term.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Sliver

Yeah, and I think that's the point many of us are trying to make. Go after the leaders (wherever they are) and maybe don't bomb and kill your average-Ahmad* Palestinian.

* not racist...looked it up and that's the most common name for boys in Gaza.

Right. Gaza has two levels, basically the surface, and then huge network of tunnels and underground bunkers where Hamas hide, smuggle weapons in, and transport rockets, etc. and all the mid level Hamas lieutenants and low level grunts that are hiding.

If the goal is to disarm and eliminate Hamas, there needs to be a ground operation into Gaza. Sending troops into tunnels without air support or airstrike, would be a complete bloodbath. Since Hamas has been purposely hiding around average-Ahmad to use them as shields. We know the tunnels have been effective at getting bombs, weapons, and rockets past the Israeli blockade, and no retaliation to dismantle some of these tunnels/weapons would just lead to the same thing again by Hamas.

Not doing anything while Israelis are being held hostage is untenable for the Israeli government. Hamas would not likely give up hostages either without pressure. Don't see how any operation against Hamas would spare average-Ahmad. Don't see how you can pressure Hamas to give hostages without some sort of retaliation. If Hamas cared at all about Gazans, which it does not, they should give up the hostages.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by zunie75

Not sure if you're being funny or don't realize this is fake?

He got it off his social media feed. Everything on it is accurate so it must be true!

[Language]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I really don't understand the point you tried to make.

Pro palestine protesters are bad because of isolated incidents, but pro israel folks are good despite of isolated incidents?

Weird take.

I believe the point he is trying to make is that the anti-Palestine venom is fairy isolated relative to all the pro-Israel protests worldwide, while the anti-Israel and blatant anti-semitism is generally widespread at many of the rallies put on by the pro-Palestine crowd, and are not really isolated incidents.


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[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Lol, I didn't realize you'd become a twit.

It was a joke but way to go for getting personal.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Transplant99 gets their news from the best sources, dammit. Even when they strip it from the post.

LOL...funny how easily triggered you get.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It was a joke but way to go for getting personal.

Come on Tranny, not a very funny joke. Not sure how you could see humor in that. If it was Bernie saying that, then you would be onto something there. But setting it up where a Muslim is saying that can be taken the way so many did. That's Greg Gutfeld type humor there.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by transplant99

It was a joke but way to go for getting personal.

You are someone I have always held great respect for in my time here, a reason you will often see me not ####ing around with you. It has been close to 20 years and I am actually incredibly saddened and in shock by some of the things you've said in this thread. That you are buying into twitter garbage and posting a 'joke' like that thinking it is in any way funny or in any way going to contribute to this topic is not something I ever had on my bingo card.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Language

I believe the point he is trying to make is that the anti-Palestine venom is fairy isolated relative to all the pro-Israel protests worldwide, while the anti-Israel and blatant anti-semitism is generally widespread at many of the rallies put on by the pro-Palestine crowd, and are not really isolated incidents.


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So he/she attempts to prove it by showing some isolated incidents?

It's a non-sensical conclusion to make.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Right. Gaza has two levels, basically the surface, and then huge network of tunnels and underground bunkers where Hamas hide, smuggle weapons in, and transport rockets, etc. and all the mid level Hamas lieutenants and low level grunts that are hiding.

If the goal is to disarm and eliminate Hamas, there needs to be a ground operation into Gaza. Sending troops into tunnels without air support or airstrike, would be a complete bloodbath. Since Hamas has been purposely hiding around average-Ahmad to use them as shields. We know the tunnels have been effective at getting bombs, weapons, and rockets past the Israeli blockade, and no retaliation to dismantle some of these tunnels/weapons would just lead to the same thing again by Hamas.

Not doing anything while Israelis are being held hostage is untenable for the Israeli government. Hamas would not likely give up hostages either without pressure. Don't see how any operation against Hamas would spare average-Ahmad. Don't see how you can pressure Hamas to give hostages without some sort of retaliation. If Hamas cared at all about Gazans, which it does not, they should give up the hostages.

You need to write those hostages off, as awful as that is. Couple reasons:

1. You're saving more lives long-term to ascribe no value to hostages as it dissuades future hostage takings if they don't give the kidnappers leverage.
2. What, there are a couple hundred hostages? I'm not willing to sacrifice thousands of Palestinian lives in the off chance it saves a small number of hostages. Plus, you're not going to bomb them into giving up hostages lol. If the hostages are the priority, then I guess start negotiating. Your post kind of makes no sense - if you're all about the hostages, then their current approach is stupid.

But what's with the "not doing anything" comment? Can you find one comment anywhere in the thousands of comments this thread has wracked up where anybody suggested Israel do nothing? Seriously...go try to find one.

I think Israel should hunt and kill all of Hamas, but I think they need to do it surgically. And, I'm even cool with them doing it illegally when they find these guys in other countries. Infiltrate and kill. You have my 100% support.

Bombing apartment complexes? That is so fkn dumb and anybody who supports that type of approach has a real weird grip on long-term strategy. You're creating more enemies lol. Israel's response has made things worse for Gaza and Israel. How can any sane person think their response has been a good one so far?