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Old 09-25-2023, 02:19 PM   #2522
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If I had been taught sex ed that many years earlier when I was a boy, it would only have resulted in me knowing about sex those many additional years before I actually had sex.
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Grade 3? I was grade 7. Times are a changin'

That said, I recall there being sex education in grade 3.

As a parent of a kid in grade 1, I have no issues with that. I also have no issues with children learning that LGBTQ2S+ people exist.

Does my 6 year old find it confusing? Sure. He's completely confused about why people give a flying f*** that people are LGBTQ2S+ and confused that we all just can't get along.
I think we should put your 6 year old in charge of the country.
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I think we should put your 6 year old in charge of the country.
I'm inclined to agree. He's a smart kid (see my signature). A real shame that his dad is a bloody idiot.
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Old 09-25-2023, 04:21 PM   #2525
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I came across a short documentary with an obvious far-right perspective. It features comments from Jordan Petersen and all the anti-woke language you would expect, so I don't recommend it. I did find the portion about ethnic minority perspectives interesting as sex ed relates to culture, and multi-culturalism in Canada. It is interesting how this topic has united some people on the right who otherwise would not likely be political allies.

I posted the video and the segment of interest starts at 10:20. It's fair to say that not all ethnic minorities feel the same way, but the recent protests did seem to have participation from a lot of minority groups.



Just to be clear, I am not promoting the video as some kind of argument to support the far-right side, but I do think that particular segment is interesting to consider.
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I came across a short documentary with an obvious far-right perspective. It features comments from Jordan Petersen and all the anti-woke language you would expect, so I don't recommend it. I did find the portion about ethnic minority perspectives interesting as sex ed relates to culture, and multi-culturalism in Canada. It is interesting how this topic has united some people on the right who otherwise would not likely be political allies.

I posted the video and the segment of interest starts at 10:20. It's fair to say that not all ethnic minorities feel the same way, but the recent protests did seem to have participation from a lot of minority groups.



Just to be clear, I am not promoting the video as some kind of argument to support the far-right side, but I do think that particular segment is interesting to consider.
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Ugh, most of that video is awful, but just to address your point, I'm sure it is a challenge coming from different cultures to understand all aspects fo Canadian culture, and where it differs. But they came to Canada for a reason, and often that involved freedom, and freedom of expression. There is nothing in their culture that makes it not possible for their children to also have confusion around gender. The kids are going to school for an education, and this is part of that.

I can't really come to any other conclusion than it's massive parental insecurities and control issues over their children, and the fear that they may not be "normal". The school isn't coaxing anyone into anything. It's telling kids these other things also exist, and it's normal.
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Yeah, don't watch the whole video.

I do find the idea of encouraging kids to cross-dress at school a little over the top. I don't think I would feel comfortable doing it, so I wouldn't ask someone else to do it, kid or not. It might not even be true for all I know.

It also seems like a boring exercise for girls. Are there really any "boy" clothes that a girl can't wear in public with it being a big step outside of gender stereotypes these days?
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Population growth in Canada today is primarily through immigration. These are the top 10 sources of immigrants. The LGBTI global acceptability index of each country is in brackets.

Canada (9.02)

India (5.28)
China (3.69)
Afghanistan (3.32)
Nigeria (2.18)
Philippines (6.06)
France (7.73)
Pakistan (3.66)
Iran (2.11)
USA (7.43)
Syria (5.22)

Ukraine (2.91) - will probably crack the top 10 this year

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.e...ce-index-lgbt/

Only two of those are liberal societies. The other eight are far more socially conservative than Canada - in several, same-sex relations are punishable by prison or death.

Sex education isn’t even on the curriculum in Iran, Syria, Pakistan, or Afghanistan, and I doubt it goes beyond the basics of procreation and using contraception (so Canadian sex education circa 1975) in China, India, Nigeria, or the Philippines.

Religious faith is also much higher in almost all of those countries than in Canada, and immigrants are more religiously observant than native-born Canadians.

This intake from conservative countries is mitigated by the high proportion of educated investor-class immigrants from those countries, and by the fact second generation immigrants tend to adopt Canadian norms.

But still, the net impact of immigration today tips the scales towards social conservatism. Anyone acting as though it’s only old white Christians in rural Canada who are informed by religious faith and have conservative values around families, gender, and sexuality is being deliberately obtuse.
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Hamtramck, Michigan, is an interesting case that illustrates how the expectation for assimilation can be a two-way street when the demographic shift is drastic enough. The city of Hamtramck was once considered a radically leftist community. After 9/11 and then during the Trump administration, they advertised themselves a city that that Muslims should move to be free from Islamophobia. A few years ago, there was a lot of celebration when it became the first city in the U.S. to elect a majority Muslim city council. Fast forward to this year, and the city council voted to ban the pride flag. The message to the old residents was that they lost the vote and should assimilate to the new norms based on the current make-up of the majority population.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-flags-banned
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And that's why you need strong laws preventing discrimination. Just because something is in the majority, doesn't mean it is right.
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Hamtramck, Michigan, is an interesting case that illustrates how the expectation for assimilation can be a two-way street when the demographic shift is drastic enough. The city of Hamtramck was once considered a radically leftist community. After 9/11 and then during the Trump administration, they advertised themselves a city that that Muslims should move to be free from Islamophobia. A few years ago, there was a lot of celebration when it became the first city in the U.S. to elect a majority Muslim city council. Fast forward to this year, and the city council voted to ban the pride flag. The message to the old residents was that they lost the vote and should assimilate to the new norms based on the current make-up of the majority population.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-flags-banned
Yes, that’s a prime example. Though to be clear, Hamtramck city council did not ban pride flags in the city, only on city property.
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Sex Education was so much better back in the early '80's.


For example one of the weirder kids in elementary school brought a used condom to school the end tied up.

He charged kids $0.25 to see/hold it.


Such a simpler time.
The whole class died of aids
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Religious faith is also much higher in almost all of those countries than in Canada, and immigrants are more religiously observant than native-born Canadians.

This intake from conservative countries is mitigated by the high proportion of educated investor-class immigrants from those countries, and by the fact second generation immigrants tend to adopt Canadian norms.

But still, the net impact of immigration today tips the scales towards social conservatism. Anyone acting as though it’s only old white Christians in rural Canada who are informed by religious faith and have conservative values around families, gender, and sexuality is being deliberately obtuse.
Some of these groups are in for a shock at how they are viewed by the conservatives groups with whom they are now aligning.
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Some of these groups are in for a shock at how they are viewed by the conservatives groups with whom they are now aligning.
"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" mentality makes for strange bedfellows; the cis-het kind at least.
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Hamtramck, Michigan, is an interesting case that illustrates how the expectation for assimilation can be a two-way street when the demographic shift is drastic enough. The city of Hamtramck was once considered a radically leftist community. After 9/11 and then during the Trump administration, they advertised themselves a city that that Muslims should move to be free from Islamophobia. A few years ago, there was a lot of celebration when it became the first city in the U.S. to elect a majority Muslim city council. Fast forward to this year, and the city council voted to ban the pride flag. The message to the old residents was that they lost the vote and should assimilate to the new norms based on the current make-up of the majority population.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...e-flags-banned
Wow, never thought I'd see someone talking about Hamtramck on the flames boards lol. Hamtramck is a total #### hole.
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I've never heard of Hamtramck but I do find it curiously ironic that a City whose name begins with 'Ham' is Muslim dominated.

And yet here we are.
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It used to be massively polish/ slavic. Hence the name.
My family from Hamtramck is Croatian, and moved to USA during the breakup of yugoslavia. I think it's been a long time refugee/ immigrant landing spot, it's just the type of immigrant has changed over time.
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Huh apparently the name has nothing to do with the Slavic population but rather was the name of some frenchman. Color me surprised about that bit of trivia.
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