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				I'm genuinely intrigued by the lack of faith many of you have in the Bengals. But let's see how things play out. 
			
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I honestly haven't paid enough attention to the offseason. Just feels like that entire division got better this year and the Bengals still have questions at o-line.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			09-06-2023, 07:45 PM
			
			
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			I'm sure some of these will end up being way off as it's too based on last year...as usual half the 2022 playoff teams will suddenly suck, and a handful of teams that sucked last year will suddenly be good. But everybody else did one, so what the hey.. 
 
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Bengals 
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Steelers 
 
 
 
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Titans 
Colts 
 
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AFC West: 
 
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Chargers 
 
Broncos 
 
 
Raiders 
 
 
 
 
NFC East:  
 
Eagles 
 
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Commanders 
 
Giants 
 
 
 
NFC North: 
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Lions 
Packers 
 
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Falcons 
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			09-06-2023, 09:07 PM
			
			
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				They went 9-0 in games decided by one score or less and had a -3 point differential for the season. That's about as lucky as you can get in a single season and usually indicates major regression for the following season (the Eagles also concern me in this department). Vegas has their O/U this year at 8.5 wins and I would not be surprised if the under hit. 
			
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Dont get me wrong. They arent a 13 win team, or even a 10 win team is unlikely. That being said, its among the worst divisions in football. 8-9 wins likely takes that division. I think that could be Minnesota of all the teams
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			09-06-2023, 09:12 PM
			
			
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				I'm genuinely intrigued by the lack of faith many of you have in the Bengals. But let's see how things play out. 
			
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Tough division. If Watson can be a top 10 QB again, the Browns could be contenders too.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			09-06-2023, 09:34 PM
			
			
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			Would love it it Watson's career craters and the Browns return to their rightful spot.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			09-06-2023, 11:36 PM
			
			
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				Tough division. If Watson can be a top 10 QB again, the Browns could be contenders too. 
			
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True but the way I see it the Bengals would have finished last year with 2 wins vs the Bills if not for the Hamlin situation and 2 wins vs the Chiefs if not for a very injured Oline. They would have had a pretty good shot at beating the Eagles too.
 
Better team than people realize.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			09-07-2023, 07:20 AM
			
			
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				True but the way I see it the Bengals would have finished last year with 2 wins vs the Bills if not for the Hamlin situation and 2 wins vs the Chiefs if not for a very injured Oline. They would have had a pretty good shot at beating the Eagles too. 
 
Better team than people realize. 
			
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I think everyone realizes the Bengals are a really good team. Problem is that the Chiefs are still the team to beat in the AFC so they get lumped in with the Bills, Ravens, even Jaguars due to their weak division.  If I have to pick a team today to come out of the AFC I'm taking the Chiefs every time as they have the best coach and the best QB and I don't think that's even debatable.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			09-07-2023, 07:23 AM
			
			
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			For those who follow this more closely than I do (not hard), what’s the outlook for Green Bay and Arizona? From what I can determine, bleak for the Cards and meh for the Packers.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			09-07-2023, 07:28 AM
			
			
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				For those who follow this more closely than I do (not hard), what’s the outlook for Green Bay and Arizona? From what I can determine, bleak for the Cards and meh for the Packers. 
			
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You pretty well nailed it although if the Cards tank works as designed, you can argue they will be the biggest winner of any team outside of the one that wins the Super Bowl.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			09-07-2023, 09:23 AM
			
			
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				You pretty well nailed it although if the Cards tank works as designed, you can argue they will be the biggest winner of any team outside of the one that wins the Super Bowl. 
			
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Not so fast. 
 
Caleb William will go back college if the Cards get the 1st pick lol. 
 
In what league is Arizona not a joke in. 
 
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			09-07-2023, 10:31 AM
			
			
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			There's a bit of an unknown factor with Green Bay and Jordan Love.  He might prove to be very ready, and they could be in contention for the Division.  It's a pretty open Division where honestly any of the teams could win it.   
 
I saw some analytics model on the Athletic that projected the Cardinals to win a league low 5.7 games.  I'm almost willing to work on being flexible enough to lick my own arse if they can win 6 games.  I can't see them topping 3. 
 
I'll pick the Bengals to get to the Superbowl, lose to San Francisco since they always play NFC West teams if they get there...and than bungle Burrows contract and end up in a real mess.  It will make the Carson Palmer saga seem like a minor contract impasse.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			09-07-2023, 10:56 AM
			
			
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				There's a bit of an unknown factor with Green Bay and Jordan Love.  He might prove to be very ready, and they could be in contention for the Division.  It's a pretty open Division where honestly any of the teams could win it.   
 
I saw some analytics model on the Athletic that projected the Cardinals to win a league low 5.7 games.  I'm almost willing to work on being flexible enough to lick my own arse if they can win 6 games.  I can't see them topping 3. 
 
I'll pick the Bengals to get to the Superbowl, lose to San Francisco since they always play NFC West teams if they get there...and than bungle Burrows contract and end up in a real mess.  It will make the Carson Palmer saga seem like a minor contract impasse. 
			
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It sounds like they are close on a extension for Burrows. 
 
Cardinals have a legit shot at 0-17.
 
Love has been sitting behind a 2xMVP for 3 years if he isn't ready now I am not sure he ever will. Some of the highlights of him look decent but his mechanics look a bit awkward.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			09-07-2023, 11:30 AM
			
			
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			I have a good friend in Phoenix. He’s hosted us a few tines for games with his season tickets. He says the Cards will be brutal and when I asked about Love he thinks the guy is good and will surprise people.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			09-07-2023, 04:26 PM
			
			
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				I have a good friend in Phoenix. He’s hosted us a few tines for games with his season tickets. He says the Cards will be brutal and when I asked about Love he thinks the guy is good and will surprise people. 
			
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Idiots should have taken Nathan Rourke off waivers.
 
Kyler Murray is also the most overrated QB in NFL history. You won't win a damn thing with him.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			Kelce out tonight.  
 
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			09-07-2023, 06:46 PM
			
			
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			What's everyone's thougts on Skyy Moore? Disappointing year one. Can he breakout this season or is he a bust.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			09-07-2023, 06:50 PM
			
			
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				I'm sure some of these will end up being way off as it's too based on last year...as usual half the 2022 playoff teams will suddenly suck, and a handful of teams that sucked last year will suddenly be good. But everybody else did one, so what the hey.. 
 
AFC East: 
 
Bills 
 
Jets 
 
Dolphins 
 
Pats 
 
 
 
AFC North: 
 
 
Bengals 
Ravens 
 
Browns 
 
Steelers 
 
 
 
AFC South: 
 
Jags 
 
Titans 
Colts 
 
Texans 
 
 
 
 
AFC West: 
 
Chiefs 
Chargers 
 
Broncos 
 
 
Raiders 
 
 
 
 
NFC East:  
 
Eagles 
 
Cowboys 
 
Commanders 
 
Giants 
 
 
 
NFC North: 
Vikings 
 
 
Lions 
Packers 
 
Bears 
 
 
 
 
NFC South: 
 
Saints 
 
Panthers 
 
 
Falcons 
Buccaneers 
 
 
 
NFC West: 
 
 
Niners 
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Rams 
 
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Roughly the same as mine, only a few adjustments: 
 
Seahawks lowered to be right above Rams  
Lions a space higher  
Browns right behind Ravens  
Fins behind Jets
 
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			09-07-2023, 07:07 PM
			
			
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				What's everyone's thougts on Skyy Moore? Disappointing year one. Can he breakout this season or is he a bust. 
			
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Andy Reid offences are tough on rookie receivers.  He wss also a second round pick as opposed to a blue chip prospect.  I expect he'll be a lot better this year.  Similar numbers to what Juju did last year is what I expect.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			09-07-2023, 07:08 PM
			
			
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			Sorry, but how many commentators do they need these days??
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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