[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Otto-matic

https://twitter.com/user/status/1698733505642144180









Im assuming we'll have a deal done when Elias arrives in Canada.

This is nice to see and is the opposite of things being very quiet from what our 2 insiders on CP have been hearing from their sources. Hopefully this is true and there is indeed things happening and maybe even will get finished up and official shortly.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

These are franchises with elite talent that have actually won something. It is awfully convenient to lump the Flames in with these groups to justify hanging on to an aging core. It is but one variable we are similar to these teams. That’s it.

Drives me nuts. Washington was the same age? Neat. Tell me more about it, but let's wait until we also have an Ovechkin and an Oshie and a Kuznetzov and a Backstrom and a Calrson and a Holtby...

[Groot]

There's several users here that constantly argue about how bad the team is, will never win, the core is too old, we need to rebuild, our players are terrible and overpaid, there's no hope, blah blah blah. It's the same things repeated ad nauseum and then other users get drawn in to trying to defend the team. Basically every topic. Any positivity has multiple users trying to discredit it. Some clown even said "toxic positivity" on a fan forum.

Let's say hypothetically, you win, you convince everyone on the forum the team and franchise is terrible. Congratulations. What then? What's next? What did you accomplish?

It's clear the direction the team is taking the next few years and I can guarantee that negativity on Calgarypuck isn't going to change the direction of the franchise.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Groot

There's several users here that constantly argue about how bad the team is, will never win, the core is too old, we need to rebuild, our players are terrible and overpaid, there's no hope, blah blah blah. It's the same things repeated ad nauseum and then other users get drawn in to trying to defend the team. Basically every topic. Any positivity has multiple users trying to discredit it. Some clown even said "toxic positivity" on a fan forum.

Let's say hypothetically, you win, you convince everyone on the forum the team and franchise is terrible. Congratulations. What then? What's next? What did you accomplish?

It's clear the direction the team is taking the next few years and I can guarantee that negativity on Calgarypuck isn't going to change the direction of the franchise.

OK, OK... my responses were to the notion that we were somehow comperable to the Washington and Vegas teams that won the Cup becuase of a similar average age.

I wasn't going out of my way to sh*t on the team. I'm just pointing out that the number one driving factor behind any championship is some amount of elite-level talent throughout the lineup. Comparing our ages against teams that have won ony matters if we at least have similar levels of talent as they do. Otherwise, I'm saying it's possible my Nissan can win a race aginst a Ferrari because both cars are from 2021.

[TheKiprusoffResurrection]

I personally would prefer a Lindholm trade and a rebuild. With that said, it's obvious that is not the direction the organization is going to take.

I don't believe all hope is lost though. If Lindholm re-signs, I think this version of the Flames can potentially compete, maybe even win a division. There are multiple things that need to happen for that to become a reality, but I think it goes without saying that Markstrom and Hubby rebounding are the most critical elements.

If both can rebound to even career average numbers and a couple of the young guys make a bit of noise, we could be dangerous. Even if Hubby stays around the same ppg as last year and doesn't rebound, with very solid goaltending from Markstrom and/or Vladar/Wolf, we still have a decent chance.

But, the nightmare scenario, imo, is re-signing Lindholm and further committing to the core and then have both Markstrom and Hubby have similar performance to last season. I don't see much chance of anything good happening for the team in that scenario. And it will be very hard for Conroy to revamp the roster with so many pricey vets locked in long-term.

I remain somewhat positive for now. Here's hoping Lindholm signs for $8.5 million x 8 yrs, or less!

[Major Major]

I love the low expectations for the team and think they will thrive in the face of them. My concern is after winning the division, Jack Adams, a playoff round or two, they will need to back it up the following year.

Seriously though, it will be funny at the end of the year when Calgary finishes ahead of Buffalo and people will continue to claim they're the better team because of consensus prospect rankings.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Groot

There's several users here that constantly argue about how bad the team is, will never win, the core is too old, we need to rebuild, our players are terrible and overpaid, there's no hope, blah blah blah. It's the same things repeated ad nauseum and then other users get drawn in to trying to defend the team. Basically every topic. Any positivity has multiple users trying to discredit it. Some clown even said "toxic positivity" on a fan forum.

Let's say hypothetically, you win, you convince everyone on the forum the team and franchise is terrible. Congratulations. What then? What's next? What did you accomplish?

It's clear the direction the team is taking the next few years and I can guarantee that negativity on Calgarypuck isn't going to change the direction of the franchise.

It changes the direction of the team just as much as the fake positivity does.

People aren't being negative for the sake of it they are just pointing out realities. Why should be create false narratives to pump up a bogus situation while ignoring the truth? That doesn't do any good at all.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Major Major

I love the low expectations for the team and think they will thrive in the face of them. My concern is after winning the division, Jack Adams, a playoff round or two, they will need to back it up the following year.

Seriously though, it will be funny at the end of the year when Calgary finishes ahead of Buffalo and people will continue to claim they're the better team because of consensus prospect rankings.

Was the argument they were the better team or that they had a more desirable roster? I think Calgary could easily finish with more points than Buffalo next season thus making them the "better team" but with the youth that Buffalo has I would much rather their roster.

[Major Major]

Ok cool I'll take the better team then.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Spurs

It changes the direction of the team just as much as the fake positivity does.

People aren't being negative for the sake of it they are just pointing out realities. Why should be create false narratives to pump up a bogus situation while ignoring the truth? That doesn't do any good at all.

It's not fake positivity, and your terrible OPINIONS aren't fact or truth, no matter how many times you try to force them down peoples throats. Answer my questions then. If everyone lost their mind and agreed with your terrible opinions, what have you accomplished? What then?

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Groot

It's not fake positivity, and your terrible OPINIONS aren't fact or truth, no matter how many times you try to force them down peoples throats. Answer my questions then. If everyone lost their mind and agreed with your terrible opinions, what have you accomplished? What then?

I am not here to convince people, unlike posters like you that try to act like forum police I have no problem with people expressing their views. If you want to be positive go ahead.

It is fake positives when you want people to change their views, not because of what happened but because of some stupid view that everyone should be "positive."

Again people aren't negative for the sake of being negative they are negative because of the reality of where this team is. Most of the fans that cry about it even agree with the sentiments the difference is what people feel about the club attempting to maintain mediocrity, some are fine with it some aren't. If we are on the not fine with it there is no reason to ignore that just to make people like you happy.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Ok cool I'll take the better team then.

When that results in nothing, while the better roster results in success in the future that seems like a silly short term view, but some are fine with that outlook.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Nelson

Here’s your goalpost move. I don’t believe the Flames are good enough, and I think they will get worse with time. I never said a team with a core in its 30s couldn’t win. That team just has to be good enough. I will be thrilled to be wrong.

And I never quoted you. That's fine if you think they're no good. I happen to think they're quite a bit better then what was shown last season.

I'll guess we'll see who's right soon enough.

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

They had 3 forwards that were 31,31, and 30 respectively, oldest forwards on the team that played in the final 3 rounds of the playoffs. The rest of their forwards were in their 20’s. But hope springs eternal that the Flames can do it with a core group of forwards that is currently 33, 30, 29. Has to be this year or next. Fingers crossed.

Yup, your post was still inaccurate.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Yup, your post was still inaccurate.

LOL you posted multiple times with absolute BS and you are calling others out for inaccurate posts?

[flamesgod]

Originally Posted by Spurs

LOL you posted multiple times with absolute BS and you are calling others out for inaccurate posts?

Kettle meet pot.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Groot

There's several users here that constantly argue about how bad the team is, will never win, the core is too old, we need to rebuild, our players are terrible and overpaid, there's no hope, blah blah blah. It's the same things repeated ad nauseum and then other users get drawn in to trying to defend the team. Basically every topic. Any positivity has multiple users trying to discredit it. Some clown even said "toxic positivity" on a fan forum.

Let's say hypothetically, you win, you convince everyone on the forum the team and franchise is terrible. Congratulations. What then? What's next? What did you accomplish?

It's clear the direction the team is taking the next few years and I can guarantee that negativity on Calgarypuck isn't going to change the direction of the franchise.

I’d argue this regurgitated reminder that negativity isn’t welcome is just as tiring.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Yup, your post was still inaccurate.

Well thankfully they had Reilly Smith, a player so valuable they got rid of him as soon as they could this offseason. Because they had Reilly, Eichel, Stephenson, Karlsson did not have anything to worry about.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

OK, OK... my responses were to the notion that we were somehow comperable to the Washington and Vegas teams that won the Cup becuase of a similar average age...

Wrong. These were responses to the very specific assertion that a team whose core players averaging +30-years-old cannot win. That is false.

I don't think anyone is positing that the Flames are just like VGK, nor that it is a model to follow. The point is that there 8s no one way to win, and every time a different type of team does win, it debunks an old assertion. If the Flames win the Vup this year—which is theoretically possible—they will chip away at false assertions currently held by what teams can or cannot win. This is the same for ANY team that wins the 2024 Stanley Cup.


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[Groot]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I am not here to convince people, unlike posters like you that try to act like forum police I have no problem with people expressing their views. If you want to be positive go ahead.

It is fake positives when you want people to change their views, not because of what happened but because of some stupid view that everyone should be "positive."

Again people aren't negative for the sake of being negative they are negative because of the reality of where this team is. Most of the fans that cry about it even agree with the sentiments the difference is what people feel about the club attempting to maintain mediocrity, some are fine with it some aren't. If we are on the not fine with it there is no reason to ignore that just to make people like you happy.

Calling out negativity isn't acting like forum police, and you still fail to understand that your terrible opinions are not fact or reality.

If you're not here to convince people, why the need to share your negative troll opinion every thread you can? You're just repeating yourself over and over. And if people ever did agree with you, what have you accomplished? Nothing, so what's the point of flooding a fan forum with your negativity? You made your point. Let us toxic optimists talk about the team we are fan of and legitimately optimistic for next season.

But as they said, don't feed the trolls. There's some goats trying to cross a bridge, you should probably attend to that.