Air Canada ceasing certain routes from YYC

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I can fly to Vancouver cheaper than I can drive to Vancouver and in less than 1/4 the time. That seems pretty silly if you think about it, so it's no wonder airlines are struggling.

One is public transportation and the other is private for a single person. I'd argue that having the public way being cheaper and quicker is what you want for that scenario to get more people using the public means. In Western Canada where the distances are long and the population is still pretty sparse and terrain out West bring tricky, flying is a good public option.

[CliffFletcher]

Flying may be moderately more expensive than it was 5-10 years ago, but it’s still much cheaper than it was 30-40 years ago. Back in the early 90s Canadians still used to drive across the country, or take the Greyhound. International air travel vacations were a costly, a once or twice a decade treat for a typical Canadian, not a routine once a twice a year expectation.

When my family moved to Calgary from Ontario in 1979, the cost of each one-way ticket for the four of us (my dad drove to bring the car and a bunch of belongings) was $400. That’s $1,573 in today’s dollars. For TOR-CAL one-way.

My first trip to Europe in 1989. Flew into Amsterdam in the shoulder season on the cheapest flight I could find $800 return, or $1,677 in today’s dollars. I could book a return flight to Amsterdam today for $737. So less than half the cost.

People whose expectations of air travel were fostered in 2005-2020 - the cheapest time in history to fly - may have to recalibrate their expectations. Because the conditions that made air travel so cheap don’t look like they’re going to last a whole lot longer.

EDIT: Neglected to adjust the inflation calculator for 1989. Fixed.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Flying may be moderately more expensive than it was 5-10 years ago, but it’s still much cheaper than it was 30-40 years ago. Back in the early 90s Canadians still used to drive across the country, or take the Greyhound. International air travel vacations were a costly, a once or twice a decade treat for a typical Canadian, not a routine once a twice a year expectation.

When my family moved to Calgary from Ontario in 1979, the cost of each one-way ticket for the four of us (my dad drove to bring the car and a bunch of belongings) was $400. That’s $1,573 in today’s dollars. For TOR-CAL one-way.

My first trip to Europe in 1989. Flew into Amsterdam in the shoulder season on the cheapest flight I could find - $800 return, or $3,141 in today’s dollars. I could book a return flight to Amsterdam today for $737. So about a quarter the cost.

To put that into context with other travel costs, a monthly youth eurorail pass cost $300 in 1989, or 38 per cent the cost of the transatlantic flight. That same pass today costs $576, or 78 per cent the cost of the flight. So even relative to the highly efficient and affordable European rail network, air travel today is half as expensive as it was when the Flames won the Cup.

People whose expectations of air travel were fostered in 2005-2020 - the cheapest time in history to fly - may have to recalibrate their expectations. Because the conditions that made air travel so cheap don’t look like they’re going to last a whole lot longer.

Right but is it essential or non-essential? That’s all that matters here.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Flying may be moderately more expensive than it was 5-10 years ago, but it’s still much cheaper than it was 30-40 years ago. Back in the early 90s Canadians still used to drive across the country, or take the Greyhound. International air travel vacations were a costly, a once or twice a decade treat for a typical Canadian, not a routine once a twice a year expectation.

When my family moved to Calgary from Ontario in 1979, the cost of each one-way ticket for the four of us (my dad drove to bring the car and a bunch of belongings) was $400. That’s $1,573 in today’s dollars. For TOR-CAL one-way.

My first trip to Europe in 1989. Flew into Amsterdam in the shoulder season on the cheapest flight I could find - $800 return, or $3,141 in today’s dollars. I could book a return flight to Amsterdam today for $737. So about a quarter the cost.

To put that into context with other travel costs, a monthly youth eurorail pass cost $300 in 1989, or 38 per cent the cost of the transatlantic flight. That same pass today costs $576, or 78 per cent the cost of the flight. So even relative to the highly efficient and affordable European rail network, air travel today is half as expensive as it was when the Flames won the Cup.

People whose expectations of air travel were fostered in 2005-2020 - the cheapest time in history to fly - may have to recalibrate their expectations. Because the conditions that made air travel so cheap don’t look like they’re going to last a whole lot longer.

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by Weitz

What do you think it should cost you to fly 4 people for 5.5 hours (11 hours total)?

That's a great question that I'm sure will garner a whole range of figures from people.

It's hard to quantify "reasonable" or "fair" with actual figures. It's easier to say feelings.

[Johnny199r]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Flying may be moderately more expensive than it was 5-10 years ago, but it’s still much cheaper than it was 30-40 years ago. Back in the early 90s Canadians still used to drive across the country, or take the Greyhound. International air travel vacations were a costly, a once or twice a decade treat for a typical Canadian, not a routine once a twice a year expectation.

When my family moved to Calgary from Ontario in 1979, the cost of each one-way ticket for the four of us (my dad drove to bring the car and a bunch of belongings) was $400. That’s $1,573 in today’s dollars. For TOR-CAL one-way.

My first trip to Europe in 1989. Flew into Amsterdam in the shoulder season on the cheapest flight I could find - $800 return, or $3,141 in today’s dollars. I could book a return flight to Amsterdam today for $737. So about a quarter the cost.

To put that into context with other travel costs, a monthly youth eurorail pass cost $300 in 1989, or 38 per cent the cost of the transatlantic flight. That same pass today costs $576, or 78 per cent the cost of the flight. So even relative to the highly efficient and affordable European rail network, air travel today is half as expensive as it was when the Flames won the Cup.

People whose expectations of air travel were fostered in 2005-2020 - the cheapest time in history to fly - may have to recalibrate their expectations. Because the conditions that made air travel so cheap don’t look like they’re going to last a whole lot longer.

Great post. A significant part of the population seems to believe that recent history is the only history of air travel and air travel prices.

Everything else in life is costing more and air travel is going to be no different, much to the shock of some would be flyers.

[butterfly]

Calgary-Toronto is a competitive route with five airlines flying it. Calgary-Halifax will become a monopoly route once Air Canada stops serving it.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Sitting in a plane waiting to take off. Blasting the beach boys in my headphones and watching fellow passengers walk past me. Looks like some girls team of some sort, some parents going to visit their kid. Everyone with a smile on their face for what is to come.

Totally not essential. All of it. We could be hooked up to the matrix and be happier.

Sitting at the Lamborghini dealership waiting to take delivery. 16 year old with his dad getting birthday gift, a new Huracan. Older couple is there picking up a new Urus. Everyone is all smiles.

Tell me owning a Lambo isn't essential

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

Sitting at the Lamborghini dealership waiting to take delivery. 16 year old with his dad getting birthday gift, a new Huracan. Older couple is there picking up a new Urus. Everyone is all smiles.

Tell me owning a Lambo isn't essential

Is this supposed to be sarcasm where's the green text

[White Out 403]

https://globalnews.ca/news/9938774/a...enger-apology/

Air Canada customers kicked off plane for refusing vomit-covered seat

[PepsiFree]

Flights should probably be more expensive if they can’t even afford to clean the planes properly.

[Bigtime]

Condor returning to Calgary from Frankfurt summer 2024 (2x weekly), I wonder if the AC decision was a factor in this return? Regardless, we get a pretty neat livery flying into the city again.

https://condor-newsroom.condor.com/e...miami-florida/

[Fuzz]

Nice!

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Flights should probably be more expensive if they can’t even afford to clean the planes properly.

I could be wrong about what quarter but I think the last quarter Air Canada made almost a billion dollars in profit. Maybe they can peel off some of that

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I could be wrong about what quarter but I think the last quarter Air Canada made almost a billion dollars in profit. Maybe they can peel off some of that

The vomit thing is disgusting and nobody can excuse that. Not the "cleaning", or the reaction of the airline staff.

regarding their profits.
For the vast majority, flying is a choice, unlike having to buy groceries.
So if you're willing to pay what they're charging, why would they have any incentive to lower prices or gouge you less?
There is booming demand for travel, so wouldn't it be stupid of them to lower prices?

If the Jets had a Stanley cup final playoff run, would you expect them to lower prices the next year, or charge what they think people would be willing to pay?

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

I could be wrong about what quarter but I think the last quarter Air Canada made almost a billion dollars in profit. Maybe they can peel off some of that

Publicly-traded companies have a fiduciary duty to shareholders. Money will be never be spent on anything that isn’t perceived to increase shareholder value.

[White Out 403]

Couple of hot takes here I didn't realize that being kicked off the plane because you complained about vomit on your seat is a fiduciary responsibility. Holy ####

[Fuzz]

I've got some AC stock, so I approve this cost savings.

[PepsiFree]

They should probably cancel the route. I think it’d be hard to secure a flight from Vegas to Montreal for $25 like WO403 wants without sitting in a little vomit.

[Wormius]

I think you have to have a pretty naive perception of how businesses work if you don’t know why they don’t take corrective action until they’ve been outed by a news outlet and their branding could be damaged.